From: Myles Corcoran [myles@irls3101.ck.cit.alcatel.fr] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 3:08 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: World of Hurt (was Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Welcome) Shannon Wiley wrote: > My understanding is that the current plan for Fantasy Flight/Bio-Hazard is > to produce a spin-off game appropriately titles 'A World of Hurt.' > Basically, this would be 'Blue Planet on Earth.' There was discussion of a > space sourcebook for the Sol system since there's so much more to it than > the Serpentis system. > > Of course, this could all change at any given time, depending on what Greg, > Jeff, Jim & Co. decide upon. What, if any, is the planned (rough) date for a release of World of Hurt? I ask because of the upcoming GURPS: Transhuman Space line due later in the year, written by David Pulver and associates. While the overlap won't be particularly a problem to me, there may well be market perception that the two games do the same thing (Hard science future confined to the Solar System, lots of biotech, lots of splintered cultures). Blue Planet/World of Hurt doesn't read as strongly in the style of John Varley or Michael Swanick's Vacuum Flowers as the stuff from Transhuman Space I've read, but I'd be careful about the timing from FFG/Biohazard when WoH launches. There's still plenty to be done with Blue Planet as an established line first, for example. Cheers, Myles -- Myles Corcoran - 023 20469 (w) - 023 20481 (fax) - 021 4503904 (h) Alcatel Ireland Ltd., Bandon, Cork, IRELAND - myles@ck.cit.alcatel.fr "I always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:14 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? It would certainly make my job a lot easier; if I could find the webmasters of the other sites I could ask them if they wanted to become Directors of the Tidewater Project. -- ChrisTheS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome Darmont" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > At 09:04 16/01/01 +0000, Eric Ducreux wrote: > >Any WebMasters interested ?? (o; > > I already manage a couple of webrings, I can handle one more easily. I > you think it's of any use. :) > > > -- Jerome Darmont, mailto:darmont@multimania.com > Webmaster http://fly.to/bleue.planete *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jerome Darmont [jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:12 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? At 23:14 16/01/01 -0800, ChrisTheS wrote: >It would certainly make my job a lot easier; if I could find the webmasters >of the other sites I could ask them if they wanted to become Directors of >the Tidewater Project. The Y! Webring page looks down right now. I'll create the ring ASAP. What do you think of "The Blue Water Circle" for the ring name? -- Jerome Darmont, mailto:darmont@multimania.com Webmaster http://fly.to/bleue.planete *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Eric Ducreux [educreux@uk.noha-systems.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 5:28 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? >>It would certainly make my job a lot easier; if I could find the webmasters >>of the other sites I could ask them if they wanted to become Directors of >>the Tidewater Project. > > The Y! Webring page looks down right now. I'll create the ring ASAP. > What do you think of "The Blue Water Circle" for the ring name? Groovy !! (o: I like the name personaly (o: Eric. "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein Eric Ducreux (ICQ # 79519568) Development Analyst @ Noha Systems. http://www.noha-systems.com 74/3 Commercial Street - Commercial Quay Leith - Edinburgh - EH6 6LX - Scotland Tel: +44 131 625 8200 - Fax: +44 131 625 8201 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Bartek Bezulski [beza@ns1.widzew.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:14 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Welcome, hi > My understanding is that the current plan for Fantasy Flight/Bio-Hazard is > to produce a spin-off game appropriately titles 'A World of Hurt.' > Basically, this would be 'Blue Planet on Earth.' There was discussion of a > space sourcebook for the Sol system since there's so much more to it than > the Serpentis system. that system would be cool, i have always loved this kind of settings (the only one i am fairly familiar with is gurps terradyne), i would buy the new system but only if it were interchangeable (sorry bout the spelling) with blue planet, this means the same timeline, system etc ... of course i am looking forward to any rumour bout possible space expansion for blue planet, advenduring on luna or mars, smuggling cargo throught belt ... would be cool > > and the last thing, someone mentioned some new expansions, field guide and > > The current expansion is: First Colony, the Haven City Guide. jeah know this one, planning to get my hands on one next week > Justin Bacon is currently writing a book tentatively titles SONG OF THE SEA, > a sourcebook detailing ceteacean characters, mindset, tech, et al. hmm i am not very big fan of cetaceans characters, but we will see > > Also in the works is FRONTIER JUSTICE. This is the book originally referred > to as POSSE in the last-page adverts in the Player's and Moderator's Guides. looking forward to see it, too regards ps i will be running a introductory BP adventure on next sf convention in Krakow, when i be back i will write how it was *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:40 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? In a message dated 1/17/01 5:33:28 AM Central Standard Time, educreux@uk.noha-systems.com writes: > > The Y! Webring page looks down right now. I'll create the ring ASAP. > What do you think of "The Blue Water Circle" for the ring name? >> Webrings are a search tool. People looking for the web ring will enter "Blue Planet" in the search box. Having "Blue Planet" in the title of the ring will elevate it higher in the search results. "Blue Planet RPG" is a perfectly good name for a web ring. Also, I'd rather not have a web ring associated with a fictional ecoterrorist group. Also, I'd recommend several styles of ring fragments. I know people like the graphical ones, but I prefer a text only one. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jerome Darmont [jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:03 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? At 09:39 17/01/01 -0500, Ml10@aol.com wrote: >Webrings are a search tool. People looking for the web ring will enter "Blue >Planet" in the search box. Having "Blue Planet" in the title of the ring will >elevate it higher in the search results. "Blue Planet RPG" is a perfectly >good name for a web ring. Also, I'd rather not have a web ring associated >with a fictional ecoterrorist group. Point taken. >Also, I'd recommend several styles of ring fragments. I know people like the >graphical ones, but I prefer a text only one. You'll get what Y! Webring offers. :) -- Jerome Darmont, mailto:darmont@multimania.com Webmaster http://fly.to/bleue.planete *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:16 AM To: 'list, blue planet' Subject: [FWD] RE: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gobion Rowlands > To: "'blue_planet@lists.ient.com'" > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:27:39 -0000 > > Jerome Darmont wrote: > > What do you think of "The Blue Water Circle" for the ring name? > > That is a cool name! > > I think you should definately call it that > > :o) > > gobion > CommCore: www.commcore.f2s.com/cc/main.php -> Poseidon's CommCore info > source! > OceanView: www.commcore.f2s.com/oceanview -> OceanView -> > CommCore's premier > News Source! > ICQ: 38430983 > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:17 AM To: 'list, blue planet' Subject: [FWD] RE: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gobion Rowlands > To: "'blue_planet@lists.ient.com'" > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:15:16 -0000 > > Yep, I agree with that - > > Hopefully it would make it easier to get contributions for > CommCore and > articles for OceanView > > :o) > > gobion > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com > > [mailto:owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com]On Behalf Of ChrisTheS > > > > It would certainly make my job a lot easier; if I could find > > the webmasters > > of the other sites I could ask them if they wanted to become > > Directors of > > the Tidewater Project. > > > > -- ChrisTheS > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerome Darmont" > > > > > > > At 09:04 16/01/01 +0000, Eric Ducreux wrote: > > > >Any WebMasters interested ?? (o; > > > > > > I already manage a couple of webrings, I can handle one > > more easily. I > > > you think it's of any use. :) > > > > > > > > > -- Jerome Darmont, mailto:darmont@multimania.com > > > Webmaster http://fly.to/bleue.planete > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:45 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > -----Original Message----- > From: Shannon Wiley [mailto:shannonwiley@home.com] > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > > Unfortunately I'm not sure about WHY they are silent below > > 5 knots, just like I'm not sure why nuclear submarines aren't. > > Anyone have an explanation for this? > > The basic principal behind it has to do with moving parts. > A Nuclear Submarine uses the Nuclear Reaction to boil water and create > steam. The seam then operates a turbine, which in turn rotates the > submarine's driveshaft. > > Boiling Water makes noise. Steam under pressure to operate a > crankshaft makes noise. The turning Crankshaft makes noise. > > An electric engine, however removes some sounds from the > equation. Electric Current directly turns the crankshaft > with no connecting gears or other moving parts. There's > I don't quite follow this (and I've read quite a bit about submarine history and technology). Are you saying if I take any electrical conducting medium (plug an electric cord into an outlet in my apartment) I can connect it to a crankshaft and the crankshaft will begin to rotate? I know this isn't really what you mean so please elaborate. Shannon is correct, however, that diesel submarines are much quieter than nuclear ones. I'd have to do more research (again) to come up with specifics. But it is also of note that diesel submarines are no longer used much outside coastal patrolling because their range is *very* limited when compared to the range of a nuclear submarine. And supplies of fuel require frequent (comparatively) resupply. A (very) old joke goes that the only time a nuc has to return to base is once every three years so the crew can reenlist. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:50 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > -----Original Message----- > From: ChrisTheS [mailto:stormsurge@stormsurge.org] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > and the sonar suite's rating. I'm thinking that for an > active sweep it would be sonar operator's awareness and > Active sonar is *rarely* used because the return for the energy isn't worth it. You can passively hear it *much* further away than the active ping will return information. So you are effectively announcing yourself to the world while blindfolded. However it does return pretty much *exact* target information whereas passive is always an estimate (most of the time with good equipment and a good operator it's a pretty damn good guess). It can also be used as a sort of "I have you in my sights and we both know it" sort of statement (watch "The Hunt For Red October"). Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:56 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > -----Original Message----- > From: ChrisTheS [mailto:stormsurge@stormsurge.org] > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > > Yes... Nimitz Class is actually the first in the series (I > THINK it involves an Iraqi-owned Kilo submarine blowing up > an aircraft carrier, unless Nimitz isn't a carrier class...) > Yes, the U.S.S. Nimitz is an aircraft carrier. http://www.navy.mil/homepages/cvn68/ The supercarrier. 95,000 tons of diplomacy. 4.5 acres of sovereign U.S. territory anywhere, any time. The most powerful weapons system on the planet. Enjoy your time aboard the leader of the class. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sean Michael Whipkey [highway@cstone.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:01 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage "Heivilin, Jim" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ChrisTheS [mailto:stormsurge@stormsurge.org] > > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > > > and the sonar suite's rating. I'm thinking that for an > > active sweep it would be sonar operator's awareness and > > > Active sonar is *rarely* used because the return for the energy isn't worth > it. You can passively hear it *much* further away than the active ping will > return information. So you are effectively announcing yourself to the world > while blindfolded. From what I understand, a lot of surface ships use it fairly indiscriminately, because they're always obvious to submarines to begin with. "Sonar buoys" used for the defensive lines that NATO set up in the 80s were also active. Admittedly, that's my knowledge from second hand sources; things may have changed (particularly by 2199). SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - "The Man. The goatee. The reputation." - Kimmet "What the hell is wrong with that boy?!?" - Adrienne Uphoff "What the French lack in reason they make up for in sheer gall." - Onion "Did anyone else read this and think of SeanMike?" - Leybourne *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:59 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare For technically accurate (unclassified) information I'd recommend Submarine: A Guided Tour Inside a Nuclear Warship by Tom Clancy ISBN: 0425138739 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0425138739/qid=979750854/sr=1-98/ref=sc_b_23/102-3582603-4623304 Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:07 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Michael Whipkey [mailto:highway@cstone.net] > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > "Heivilin, Jim" wrote: > > Active sonar is *rarely* used because the return for the > > energy isn't worth it. You can passively hear it *much* > > further away than the active ping will return information. > > So you are effectively announcing yourself to the world > > while blindfolded. > > From what I understand, a lot of surface ships use it fairly > indiscriminately, because they're always obvious to > submarines to begin with. > Very true. I had in mind a submarine vs. submarine situation and neglected to think of the other side. Sorry. > "Sonar buoys" used for the defensive lines that NATO set up in > the 80s were also active. > This is just supposition on my part but IIRC it was also intended (besides detecting and tracking Soviet submarines) as something of a "fence", a sort of "don't come over here or they'll be h*ll to pay". Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:08 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? In a message dated 1/17/01 9:07:14 AM Central Standard Time, jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr writes: << >Also, I'd recommend several styles of ring fragments. I know people like the >graphical ones, but I prefer a text only one. You'll get what Y! Webring offers. :) >> As I run the Silent Death webring, I know how webrings are set up and it is possible to offer both a text only as well as a graphical webring fragment. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Scott Edwards [mach5rr@concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:31 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare At 10:45 AM 1/17/01 -0600, you wrote: > > Boiling Water makes noise. Steam under pressure to operate a > > crankshaft makes noise. The turning Crankshaft makes noise. > > > > An electric engine, however removes some sounds from the > > equation. Electric Current directly turns the crankshaft > > with no connecting gears or other moving parts. There's > > >I don't quite follow this (and I've read quite a bit about submarine history >and technology). Are you saying if I take any electrical conducting medium >(plug an electric cord into an outlet in my apartment) I can connect it to a >crankshaft and the crankshaft will begin to rotate? I know this isn't >really what you mean so please elaborate. Hi Jim, this is one I can answer for you. Did you ever own one of those erector sets as a kid? The one with the electric motor? In theory that's all the crankshaft on a diesel is, a larger version of an electric motor. The crankshaft is meant to be electrically driven. The engines are there (basically) to act as a generator to keep a constant charge, or to recharge, batteries. >Shannon is correct, however, that diesel submarines are much quieter than >nuclear ones. I'd have to do more research (again) to come up with >specifics. But it is also of note that diesel submarines are no longer used >much outside coastal patrolling because their range is *very* limited when >compared to the range of a nuclear submarine. And supplies of fuel require >frequent (comparatively) resupply. A (very) old joke goes that the only >time a nuc has to return to base is once every three years so the crew can >reenlist. A diesel sub is -extremely- quieter than a nuclear sub, while running on batteries. But while running the diesel engine, it is far noisier. And a sub has to either surface, or run a limited length snorkel for exhaust. A nuclear submarine OTOH is constantly generating power, can manufacture a fresh air supply by stripping oxygen from the surrounding water, and can desalinize the surrounding water to provide potable water for drinking and bathing. Boomer submariners (ballistic missile) are armed with stores for three months and then sent to sea, never surfacing during the whole period. Scott A. Edwards *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Shannon Wiley [shannonwiley@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:15 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare Jim remarked: > I don't quite follow this (and I've read quite a bit about > submarine history > and technology). Are you saying if I take any electrical > conducting medium > (plug an electric cord into an outlet in my apartment) I can > connect it to a > crankshaft and the crankshaft will begin to rotate? I know this isn't > really what you mean so please elaborate. > Alright, do any of you remember having the little Electronic Tyco Racetrack as a child? It had the figure-eight track with the two little cheep plastic racecars? Well, inside those little cars was a plastic cylinder with about 30 feet of copper wire coiled around it, and a little magnet on either side of the engine. For those of you who haven't learned this in a physics course (Hey, I didn't learn it until College!), you generate Alternating Current by placing a lot of coiled wire between two magnets and turning the coil. Apply the principle in reverse: The Coil is there. The Magnets are there. You supply electric Current and the copper coil starts turning. Now suppose that the Copper Coiling is wrapped directly around the crankshaft of your Submarine's propellers. Hook up a couple-hundred Die-Hard batteries and connect the circuit and you have drive power generated in complete silence. The only sound comes from the friction between the Propeller bearings and their mountings in the submarine, and the cavitation of the prop against the water. If I sound like I'm talking to a bunch of young kids (As I reread the post, I can 'hear' the really slow speech pattern you'd use with a child), it's not intended, but it was the best way to offer the explanation. Shannon 'In the Navy!' Wiley shannonwiley@home.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:41 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? Sounds good. -- ChrisTheS > The Y! Webring page looks down right now. I'll create the ring ASAP. What > do you think of "The Blue Water Circle" for the ring name? > > -- Jerome Darmont, mailto:darmont@multimania.com > Webmaster http://fly.to/bleue.planete > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:43 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP sites.... Web Ring ?? > Also, I'd recommend several styles of ring fragments. I know people like the > graphical ones, but I prefer a text only one. RE: Graphical ones are OK, but only if the graphic is small. I've found a short graphical title with text links underneath to be most effective. -- ChrisTheS *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sean Briggs [lucifiel@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:48 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > A nuclear submarine OTOH is constantly generating power, can manufacture a > fresh air supply by stripping oxygen from the surrounding water, and can > desalinize the surrounding water to provide potable water for drinking and > bathing. I served on a nuclear submarine rather than a diesel one (no surprise, since the US Navy is a little short of diesel subs), but I can't think of any reason why a diesel sub couldn't have oxygen generators and water distillation equipment, as well. The ones the British currently use probably do. They'd be additional power drains, though, and so probably wouldn't be used while running on battery power. OTOH, the BP Player's Guide states that batteries in 2199 are several times more efficient at storing energy than current rechargables, and they're probably even better than that when compared to those used on current submarines -- most submarine technology is hardly state-of-the-art. If electrical motors are also more efficient, a BP submarine operating off of battery power alone could probably go for quite a while before a recharge was necessary. (24 hours, perhaps? 48? More? Depends on how many batteries you have, I suppose, and how fast you want to go.) I have no idea how difficult, noisy, or time-consuming it might be to start up a BP fusion plant, but there's really no reason a BP submarine couldn't be designed to have the advantages of both modern-day nuclear and diesel submarines. When increased stealth is desired, shut down or idle the fusion plant and run off of battery power. When the batteries are running low, or you want more speed, start up the plant, disengage the electric motors, and start up the steam turbines. The equipment would require more space than on a submarine designed to run off a fusion plant alone, but that might be the only disadvantage. My memory's a bit fuzzy, but I believe there may have been one or two US nuclear submarines that were designed using similar principles. > Boomer submariners (ballistic missile) are armed with stores for > three months and then sent to sea, never surfacing during the whole period. Food is really the only limit on how long a nuclear submarine can go without pulling in somewhere. That and the sanity of the crew. And, of course, the failure rate of vital equipment that you don't carry the parts for, or can't repair underway. I can easily imagine PCs pulling a Captain Nemo, though, and intercepting a caneopoise herd, or going spear-fishing for a few trident fish. - Sean Briggs *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:52 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage Yes... "Kilo Class" went into a great deal of detail about that, although it did also make note of a specialized type of active sonar transmitter (effectively the opposite of the SIM system I detailed on StormSurge) that would, instead of a standard sonar ping, transmit a natural underwater sound like a cetacean call instead, thus allowing active sonar to be used with minimal risk of discovery. But that, I think, would also be a top secret U.S. government thing (like the SIM system), so wouldn't be equipped on too many subs. However, speaking of cetaceans... they, obviously, use the equivalent of active sonar much more frequently (cetaceans are, in fact, what SIM was primarily designed to counter), so what's the procedure for that? -- ChrisTheS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heivilin, Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ChrisTheS [mailto:stormsurge@stormsurge.org] > > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Sonar usage > > > and the sonar suite's rating. I'm thinking that for an > > active sweep it would be sonar operator's awareness and > > > Active sonar is *rarely* used because the return for the energy isn't worth > it. You can passively hear it *much* further away than the active ping will > return information. So you are effectively announcing yourself to the world > while blindfolded. > > However it does return pretty much *exact* target information whereas > passive is always an estimate (most of the time with good equipment and a > good operator it's a pretty damn good guess). It can also be used as a sort > of "I have you in my sights and we both know it" sort of statement (watch > "The Hunt For Red October"). > > Jim > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:00 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare > A diesel sub is -extremely- quieter than a nuclear sub, while running on > batteries. But while running the diesel engine, it is far noisier. And a > sub has to either surface, or run a limited length snorkel for exhaust. RE: Right... which is why D-E stealth subs run submerged on electric and only switch to diesel to recharge. But since they have to surface or snorkel when doing this, that provides the only time they can be located (good for sub-hunting adventures like the one I uploaded a few days ago). *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:30 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Submarine warfare (24 hours, perhaps? 48? More? Depends on how many batteries > you have, I suppose, and how fast you want to go.) RE: I'd say between 48 and 72. I'm looking at the Kilo specs right now and 12 hours appears to be the average recharge time (running on 2 120-cell batteries)... and considering that this is a 20-year-old design, the increase in battery capacity over the next 200 years could easily push that run time to at least 48. > I have no idea how difficult, noisy, or time-consuming it might be to start > up a BP fusion plant, but there's really no reason a BP submarine couldn't > be designed to have the advantages of both modern-day nuclear and diesel > submarines. RE: I don't know if it would work with a McCluskey reactor... It might be possible for a stealth sub to run off a Yoshikawa reactor, and thus cut noise by bypassing the turbine, but the fuel requirements for the reactor would push up the price of the vehicle. -- ChrisTheS *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.