From: Justin Bacon [triad@prairie.lakes.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:59 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet Wil's crossover thread and a couple of threads on RPGNet have me thinking: How could you use the world of Poseidon in other game settings? For example, Wil is postulating the possibility of using Poseidon as an adjunct to the Jovian Chronicles game. On RPGNet several people have suggested using Poseidon as a Fringe world for Traveller, or a Lost World for Fading Suns. Other thoughts on how you could use Blue Planet? What with? And how would you go about adapting one or both of the settings to make them work with one another? What type of stories would come out of it? Note, I'm thinking about writing this up as an article. So I'm openly using you guys as an idea mine to generate possibilities I haven't thought of. Justin Bacon triad3204@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Justin Bacon [triad@prairie.lakes.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:56 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Interesting crossover idea Wil wrote: > Hmmm...good, good suggestions (of course!). Of course, the Edicts > themselves are the biggest monster to tackle given the impact that what is > Edict-violating technology has in BP's universe. I definitely would want > Poseidon as-is, without seeming like it is just added into JC willy-nilly, > and that means keeping the genies and other Edict-breaking tech. That's easy: Blend the JC Fall of Earth with the Blue Planet Fall of Earth. A genetically engineered plague sweeps across Earth, solar system recoils in horror, etc. etc. The Edicts are slammed into place as a quick-fire reactionary policy to the sudden catastrophe, etc. etc. Poseidon, however, doesn't know this has happened because -- of course -- they're isolated on the other side of the wormhole. Years go by, and time progresses... Now, you make contact with Poseidon again. And Poseidon is filled with all of these people who are not only violating the Edicts -- but exist as Edict violations (most of these were confined to Earth in the solar system, and purged during the chaos of the Fall). You get some nice tension from this. But here's the capper: Long John is just too damn seductive. You mean I get to be *immortal* if we give up these stupid Edicts? Hmmm... *that's* a tough choice to make. ;) This creates a Jovian-Venus axis of power which busts up the Edicts -- or, at the very least, suppresses them-- Whoop, that's it: They can't get rid of the Edicts (particularly because Venus doesn't want to hurt its axis of power with Earth, which is still leery of the Edict tech), but what they can do is suppress it enough so that the technology can be used in the Lambda Serpentis system. Anyone who wants to do Edict-violating experiments have to do them beyond the wormhole. That's your cue for the gold rush. > I think a lot of my thinking has to do with the fact that I doubt I'd have > time to run Tribe 8, JC and BP...so that means combining two of them > together (and a BP/T8 crossover, while potentially interesting, probably > wouldn't work too well ^_^). How about all three? The Fall of Earth is brought about by the Z'bri. Nearly a century later, the Fatimas -- having pushed the Z'bri back -- send their envoys to the USN. As communication opens up between the powers of the solar system once more, a mission is sent through the wormhole to see if anyone has survived on Poseidon... And all the while, there are rumors that there is an "Eighth Tribe" on Earth, and that the friendly faces of the Fatimas are not as friendly as they appear. Then, in the year 2210, the Jovian Confederation receives a call from a man claiming to be Joshua. But General Thosen is secretly enthralled to the Fatimas, and attempts to undermine the rescue mission by sending a group of raw recruits and civilians. The events which would follow would become known as the Odyssey, and would reveal the strange world of Dreams and Synthesis to the solar system. Meanwhile, of course, tensions are brewing with Poseidon over the Edicts... and what relationship is there between the aborigines, their strange heritage, and the Z'bri? Justin Bacon triad3204@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: kabael@softhome.net Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:11 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > For example, Wil is postulating the possibility of using Poseidon as an adjunct > to the Jovian Chronicles game. On RPGNet several people have suggested using > Poseidon as a Fringe world for Traveller, or a Lost World for Fading Suns. Well those are the obvious first choices. Other games you could use might include Heavy Gear or Dune, maybe even Star Wars. Most of my cross-game ideas tend to be mixing other games with Blue Planet, not the other way around. Delta Green, for example, is going to find use in my "Vatican investigates Cthulhu" storyline, if I ever get a chance to run it. Derek Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 Opinionated reviewer extraordinaire *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Wil [dreamweaver@keyway.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:33 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Interesting crossover idea Justin, the three-way crossover is just evil enough I may try it someday ^_^ Anyways, I've made a few decisions about a BP-JC crossover after finishing the Earth sections of the Moderator's Guide. 1) Replace CEGA with GEO. From what I'm gathering, the GEO does have some restrictions on genetic engineering and the like - in fact, the more I think about it the less I am convinced that the biotech that exists in BP *is* Edict violating, since the Edicts mostly have to do with AI, fully artificial lifeforms, biological weapons and the like. It might be possible that consumer genetic engineering at the level that exists in BP is doable under the Edicts as written (if not, with a little tweaking). It also might be possible that the GEO attempts to enforce the Edicts only on Independents, while allowing the genetic technology to be pursued within it's own jurisdiction (similar to how the US tries to limit access to certain technologies to other countries...frex, as an American you can 128-bit encryption on your email and browser but it is illegal to export the software outside of the US). 2) Fold SolaPol and the various USN agencies into GEO (the Justice Commission has Marshals, SolaPol has Marshals...hey, how cool is that?). While this eliminates the CEGA vs. USN tension, it's not like there isn't enough going on in this crazy setting. 3 Replace all of the colonies and associated governments in BP with their JC equivalents. This means that the wormhole is not necessarily discovered by the Jovians because the discovery occurs pre-Fall/Blight. The genetic engineering of the colonists and such is not Edict violating because, pre-Fall, the Edicts don't exist! 4)While the Incorporate on Earth was able to attain the Independent status as per BP, it is really the Incorporate presence on Venus that is the power in the Solar System. Earth Incorporate presence, in the form of the BP corps, on Poseidon, allows them to attain the level of power and influence of the Venusian Incorporate. Still a lot of thinking to do, but I'm pretty convinced this is something I'm going to try. I'll probably use Synergy because it has some elements I really like over Silhouette, but I may port in the JC VCS for designing vehicles. I'm going to do some straight conversions of vehicles from BP to the VCS as a test run and see how they turn out. ."Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?" Dreams of Flesh & Spirit: http://www.atomicrumpusroom.net/tribe8/ The Datacore: http://www.atomicrumpusroom.net/jovianchronicles/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Wil [dreamweaver@keyway.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:38 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet Well, it would fit in quite well with Mekton Zeta's Starblade Battalion setting. In fact, if you eliminate the SHUNT drives from SBB and make Poseidon the only world it would be different from BP only in the names of the governments and such. It is funny how JC, BP and SBB have similar trends going on - kind of post-cyberpunkish, world government with ecototalitarian overtones, exploitation of resource issues, a global catastrophe, etc. Nearly any setting that has those elements could utilize Poseidon as a part of its setting. "Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?" Dreams of Flesh & Spirit: http://www.atomicrumpusroom.net/tribe8/ The Datacore: http://www.atomicrumpusroom.net/jovianchronicles/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:40 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet There's been some interesting chatr lately about BP/Other Game(tm) crossovers. However, I'm not so sure about the actual utility of this. The background to Blue Planet, the social, political and ethical backgrounds all very much spring from a well defined, well thought out future history. Changing these elements, or replacing them wholesale with imported organisations/technology from another game would weaken both. For example, the GEO rose out of a very specific set of circumstances and needs and was very much a product of the history which lead up to its creation. The very ethos of the GEO, it goals and aspirations, permeate the Blue Planet setting. I feel it would be difficult to replace it wholesale (or keep it, but without the detailed history) and still retain the cohesiveness of the setting. The BP background is so well integrated that changing any one element has a necessary knock-on effect on other elements. Placing Poseidon in a Megatraveller or Traveller campaign would render inconsequential the question of DNA on Poseidon and Earth (if for example, Poseidon was located in the Solomani sphere) being identical, as humankind is already seen to be spread throughout the galaxy. Explorers would merely shrug their shoulders and say "Ah well, it's The Ancients again." Please don't take from this that I'm being in some way precious about BP and view integration with other games as a necessarily bad thing, however, I do think that some very careful thought (and I'm not saying that members of the mailing list have not and will not give careful thought to this) needs to be taken when integrating the BP setting with others games. I am hoping to be proved wrong and someone (or several people) come up with brilliant guidelines for integrating BP and Another Game(tm). I think it would be very interesting to see. Cheers Malcolm >From: Justin Bacon >Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com >To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com >Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:58:31 -0600 > >Wil's crossover thread and a couple of threads on RPGNet have me thinking: > >How could you use the world of Poseidon in other game settings? > >For example, Wil is postulating the possibility of using Poseidon as an >adjunct >to the Jovian Chronicles game. On RPGNet several people have suggested >using >Poseidon as a Fringe world for Traveller, or a Lost World for Fading Suns. > >Other thoughts on how you could use Blue Planet? What with? And how would >you >go about adapting one or both of the settings to make them work with one >another? What type of stories would come out of it? > >Note, I'm thinking about writing this up as an article. So I'm openly using >you >guys as an idea mine to generate possibilities I haven't thought of. > >Justin Bacon >triad3204@aol.com > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Cjbeiting@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Gurps Atlantis For the record, SJG is now playtesting Gurps Atlantis, by Phil Masters. While it mostly concerns itself with the city as out of Plato and with the larger "lost/sunken city" myth, it does have one full chapter on living and working underwater, complete with plans for submarine designs and a lot of advice on the practicalities of the underwater environment. What I have skimmed looks very useful, and much can be ported over to the BP universe. So be on the lookout for it in a couple of months or so... Chris Beiting CJBeiting@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Gareth Hanrahan [hanrahag@iol.ie] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:02 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > Wil's crossover thread and a couple of threads on RPGNet have me thinking: > > How could you use the world of Poseidon in other game settings? Returning to the BP/Dune parallels, you could replace Long John with spice, and have Posiedon be another source of melange. The greater whites would be even bigger in this version. Hmm...what else. BP/Cthulhu we've seen before....BP/Werewolf (the spirit of Gaia migrates to a new world, and creates new defenders - weresharks or weredolphins from the natives. However, the Wyrm's minions follow...). BP/Space 1889 (Captain Cook or Charles Darwin lands on Poseidon?) BP/Bunnies and Burrows, with Eel Dragons? BP/Shadowrun, with Merfolk? BP/d20? ;-P > Justin Bacon > triad3204@aol.com Gar http://www.irishgaming.com/warpcon http://chrysanthemumRoad.tripod.com - L5R fansite http://www.commcore.f2s.com/oceanview - Blue Planet fansite *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Shannon Wiley [shannonwiley@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:30 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > Other thoughts on how you could use Blue Planet? What with? And > how would you > go about adapting one or both of the settings to make them work with one > another? What type of stories would come out of it? > Where else could I Integrate Blue Planet? Here's a wacky idea: Werewolf: The Apocalypse. Have Poseidon be one of the Deep-Umbral realms. In one sense it would be a Glass Walker's personal W*t-Dream, while most of the other tribes would be appalled at the sheer hold that the Weaver has on the realm. The Incorporate could represent the Wyld - Exploiting the realm to make the most of the available resources, the GEO could represent the Weaver, doing it's utmost to establish order from chaos, creation and meaning from nothing, and the Abos could represent the Wyrm - the original Wyrm, not the insane Wyrm, trying to keep a balance between the other two, and making them fit the delicate laws of this realm. Long John could represent 'liquid Gnosis,' (so-to-speak) powering visiting Garou in a way they've never been powered before. An obvious (And boring) idea would be to make it part of a RIFTS game. Gah. I can't believe I just said that. In another Bizarre Twixe, you could probably incorporate it into the Babylon 5 Universe. Convert the Wormhole into a Jumpgate and there's little else you'd have to do (aside from creating rules for Biomods). If course, using this approach, you'd almost have to make Poseidon colonized by a Non-Human species. You might could make it work off of something like 'Clark's' Regime. Too keep the true flavor, though, I think you'd have to do the alien thing - and that (to me) just takes away a lot of the meaning behind BP. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:07 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet Aaack... I just got a scary thought: BP/Paranoia... -- ChrisTheS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Hanrahan" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > > Wil's crossover thread and a couple of threads on RPGNet have me thinking: > > > > How could you use the world of Poseidon in other game settings? > > Returning to the BP/Dune parallels, you could replace Long John with spice, > and have Posiedon be another source of melange. The greater whites would be > even bigger in this version. > > Hmm...what else. BP/Cthulhu we've seen before....BP/Werewolf (the spirit of > Gaia migrates to a new world, and creates new defenders - weresharks or > weredolphins from the natives. However, the Wyrm's minions follow...). > BP/Space 1889 (Captain Cook or Charles Darwin lands on Poseidon?) > > BP/Bunnies and Burrows, with Eel Dragons? BP/Shadowrun, with Merfolk? > > BP/d20? ;-P > > > Justin Bacon > > triad3204@aol.com > > > Gar > http://www.irishgaming.com/warpcon > http://chrysanthemumRoad.tripod.com - L5R fansite > http://www.commcore.f2s.com/oceanview - Blue Planet fansite > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andy Wills [andywills@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:20 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet ----- Original Message ----- From: ChrisTheS To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > Aaack... I just got a scary thought: BP/Paranoia... You will rue those words, Chris. Oh, you will so rue those words. Just wait until I get back to the States. > -- ChrisTheS -Andy *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:58 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet Double aack! *puts a gag in his mouth so that he can't say anything else* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Wills" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ChrisTheS > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:06 AM > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Using Blue Planet > > > > Aaack... I just got a scary thought: BP/Paranoia... > > You will rue those words, Chris. Oh, you will so rue those words. Just wait > until I get back to the States. > > > -- ChrisTheS > > -Andy > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.