From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:03 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - a little bit of useless BP info **** > I wonder if they have any formal method of land apportionment on Poseidon (For the newcomers, of course) and if that bears any resemblance to the Tier/Range/Township method used by the U.S. or if it more resembles the system they use in England (Which I know isn't the same as the U.S., but I have no clue how it works). > Good question - it would certainly make for some interesting adventures :o) gobion ** Adventures in Land Speculation... I can just see it now... "How would you like to buy a timeshare in the lovely north end of New Hawaii!"... erg. Perhaps there should be a professional package noted as 'sleezeball'... Oh, wait; opportunist profile bit. Heh. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:53 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Weather Systems I was wondering if there are any maps, papers, articles, etc dealing with the weather patterns on Poseidon. Ie, are there specific 'stormy seasons' in specific regions? Are there dry periods, so to speak? Are there areas almost permanently ravaged by storm, and others untouched? I'm mostly concerned with larger, major storm systems. Admittedly I haven't read all there is to read on Blue Planet (I'm only working out of the Player's Guide at the moment), but I'm interested to know what is currently written about and available, in books and independent sources. Thanks. --Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:45 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit of useless BP info) With regards to the land titles and such, I'd like to point out a nice bit of hard space scifi written by Peter F. Hamilton called the "Night's Dawn Trilogy"; the first book was "The Reality Dysfunction". Among the couple dozen other plot centers, he deals with the colonial world of Lalonde. Basically, colonization is sponsored by particular corporations, with some help from the Human Confederation (government, military, etc). If you're rich enough to pay your own way to the planet, you're likely better off NOT going to the colony. So chances are you're one of the down-trodden, looking for some new hope and all. But you can't afford it, so you sign on with the company in charge. After X amount of people are signed up, they pack what they can and pay a certain amount for transportation, and are shipped to the planet, where they are sent out to start new settlements comprised of the X people. Essentially, the company covers the cost of your transportation, and in return you're settling the planet for them according to their scheme and layout. You can't just go live in the capital city. They expect you to help tame the planet. Most of your food is from farming, and excess produce will go to the rest of the colony. Lalonde is a sort of rain-forest-style planet, and transportation by land is difficult; the capital city is located by the delta of a major river, and the other settlements are located successively further along the river and its tributaries. Steam boats, paddle boats, sail boats, tramp traders, hover craft - you name it. He really gets into it. I've taken a lot of my cues on how to approach Poseidon from these books, and my GM has tended to agree. As far as natives v. colonists, my impression from what I've read is it will be a sort of Native American v. Europe/US view. "Here are some pretty beads; now shove off." However, being somewhat knowledgeable about history, I'm sure not ALL of the natives will be so easily cowed. And others would probably adopt a sort of 'assimilate and it'll all get better' philosophy. Just my opinions. -C **** There are a couple of fundamental questions that need to be resolved before addressing land titles on Poseidon. First, who grants the land patents? The European/N. American model is that the sovereign grants land titles. In the U.S., this means that the original land title could have been granted by either a state, the U.S. government, Mexico, or one of the original European colonial powers. Who is the sovereign on Poseidon? Post-recontact, it appears to be the GEO. But, the GEO was not around to sponsor the original settlement expedition. Plus, who was the sovereign during the years of the abandonment? I am not aware that these basic government questions have been addressed. What sort of land title promises were made to the members of the original settlement expedition? How were titles apportioned after planetfall? How were titles recorded and transfered prior to recontact? How are title disputes now resolved? I figure that the GEO has a High Commissioner(?) assigned to untangling and resolving land title disputes. Particularly, if you take into account the huge amount of money that there was to be made post-recontact by selling tracts of land in Haven. Some of the Haven natives had the opportunity to make sizable fortunes. What are they doing now? What happened to the title rights of the natives that set out for the more remote islands? ** -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:51 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit of useless BP info) **** The GEO didn't exist before the Blight, when Poseidon was founded, but it is very clearly the inheritor of the organization that was. Does that mean it has jurisdiction? It thinks so, but the natives and a lot of members states do not. ** Actually, if I recall, hasn't the GEO been labelled an illegal entity now, with the restoration of order (of sorts)? The UN and such are trying to shut it down, for instance. Similar deal in Bruce Sterling's "Distraction" novel, dealing with the Emergency Committees which are essentially governmental organizations sprung up to help the country cope with the economic and environmental crises; however, they're neither elected positions nor sactioned by Congress, so a 'strong' president is hoped for to abolish the committees which are acting in an 'illegal fashion'. Fascinating.. **** And this makes for great role-playing fodder when the GEO decides to put the law behind justice and starts staging some 'incidents' to give itself another excuse to get involved in these land disputes. ** Emergency Committees (above) and FEMA's role in the PC Game "Deus Ex"; sounds about right ;) -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kintaro Oe [kabael@SoftHome.net] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 3:36 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit of useless BP info) > Actually, if I recall, hasn't the GEO been labelled an illegal entity > now, with the restoration of order (of sorts)? The UN and such are > trying to shut it down, for instance. Actually, I think that's more of a "The UN's being re-instated and people are loudly grumbling about the GEO" kind of situation. The GEO still has power, and only groups like Gendiver are really openly thumbing their noses at them. - kabael - Kintaro Oe - Derek the Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 the McGuffin Group - the End Times - RPG Action - the Thirteenth Legion How much humiliation can four people and a penguin take? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kintaro Oe [kabael@SoftHome.net] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:02 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Weather Systems I believe that the Moderator's Guide (or a later section in the PG) has information on storm patterns. Basically the Storm Belt (which included pretty much all of settled Poseidon) has seasons that divide into Storm Season and Not Storm Season :) Storm Season is, logically enough, when you get all the Cyclonic Storms that come through. > I was wondering if there are any maps, papers, articles, etc dealing > with the weather patterns on Poseidon. Ie, are there specific 'stormy > seasons' in specific regions? Are there dry periods, so to speak? Are > there areas almost permanently ravaged by storm, and others > untouched? I'm mostly concerned with larger, major storm > systems. Admittedly I haven't read all there is to read on Blue Planet > (I'm only working out of the Player's Guide at the moment), but I'm > interested to know what is currently written about and available, in > books and independent sources. Thanks. - kabael - Kintaro Oe - Derek the Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 the McGuffin Group - the End Times - RPG Action - the Thirteenth Legion How much humiliation can four people and a penguin take? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kieren Martin [kpm91@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:27 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Land Title and the Natives I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the 'native' settlers were originally to have rights to what they settled. This would be confirmed by whatever global government was set up. Here is the probblem There was no global government set up. As communication and travel became harder the concept of a global government was basically irrelivant. People were more concerned with their backyard and couldn't care less what was happening in someone elses. When reconnect happened GEO said... "No government, no title". I don't think that the GEO had been made illegal. This really can't happen untill there is a group strong enough to force the issue if (when) the GEO digs its heels in and defies them. The incorporates may be able to, but that would effectively leave GenDiver in charge. I doubt that anyone (appart from GenDiv) wants that. Kieren _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kirk Foote [kfoote@inconnect.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 8:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer Greetings, I am new to this mailing list. I just recently picked up BPV2 and I am quite impressed. I look forward to interacting with you in the near future. For the time being I have a few questions. Is there a FAQ for this list so that I don't ask a bunch of questions that have already been answered? Who are the "official" voices on this list? How do the Cetaceans and Humans communicate efficiently? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: NRFB Bob [necrobob@compfxnet.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 9:32 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer >How do the Cetaceans and Humans communicate efficiently? They write notes in ketchup on little mirrors and pass them to each other in class. And if that doesn't work, they use shadow puppets. As much fun as shadow puppets are, there's an artificial language called Interspec which is used to communicate. Cetaceans can speak it (the way I understand it - and I could be wrong - it's a kind of pidgin version of the cetaceans' own language), and humans can understand it. Cetaceans are capable of understanding most human languages, which sets up the other direction. ____________________ Necromancer Bob, Drag Queen of the Apocalypse Visit The Gate: Necromancer Bob's Domain at: http://www.intws.com/necrobob AOL IM: NcroBob ICQ #78542780 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:07 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer Kirk wrote: >Greetings, I am new to this mailing list. I just recently picked up BPV2 >and >I am quite impressed. I look forward to interacting with you in the near >future. For the time being I have a few questions. Welcome, hope you enjoy playing/running BP and equally enjoy the chat on the list. >Is there a FAQ for this list so that I don't ask a bunch of questions that >have already been answered? Not that I'm aware of, but just throw in any questions you have, someone is bound to answer them. >Who are the "official" voices on this list? Jeff, Greg and Jim, as they are the guys who actually wrote the games and maintain the website. >How do the Cetaceans and Humans communicate efficiently? > Well, the quickest and easiest way is to use translators. If not, interspec is a reasonable way. Otherwise, much gesturing and pointing of extremities. Cheers Malcolm _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:00 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Land Title and the Natives **** When reconnect happened GEO said... "No government, no title". ** Right in the survival guide, p21 of the PG: Plain and simple, many natives just didn't want any contact with Earth, and their attitudes didn't warm up any when they realized the GEO was a world government that planned to claim all of Poseidon as its colony ... Native attitudes towards the GEO have steadily worsened over the ensuing years. The GEO's refusal to recognize native land claims and its inability or unwillingness to protect them from Incorporate aggression ... My apologies for any typos; I just typed it straight from the book without looking back. **** I don't think that the GEO had been made illegal. This really can't happen untill there is a group strong enough to force the issue if (when) the GEO ** Okay, I found the section I had been thinking of. Page 22 of the PG: In the years to come, I'm betting the GEO's biggest challenge will come from the United Nations ... The original GEO Charter called for the UN to be reinstated and the GEO abolished once the Blight was defeated. Backed by the Independent nations and several Incorporate states, the UN was reestablished in 2156 against strong opposition from the GEO Executive Council. For the GEO to be officially abolished, though, the UN requires a resolution to be passed by a two-thirds majority of its original, pre-Blight member-nations. Problem is, more than a third of those governments no longer exist as sovereign nations. I didn't have the PG on-hand when originally posing this. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.