From: eric baierl [ebaierl@csd.uwm.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Uplifting Dolphins Article over at wired about dolphins and speech: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,41705,00.html eric baierl *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Gobion Rowlands [gobion.rowlands@Gameplay.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 4:47 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Uplifting Dolphins - for real! Thought this might be of interest to everyone on the list... Uplifting Dolphins - for real! (source: Wired) Researchers at Sea Life Park Hawaii are working on a way to get humans even closer to our flipper friends: They're devising a common language of dolphin-like whistles. Already, dolphins recognize sounds for four words: ball, disk, leaf and barrel -- all of which are objects that the dolphins being tested are familiar with. http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,41705,00.html *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:38 AM To: Blue Planet List (list, blue planet) Subject: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer > -----Original Message----- > From: "Poh Tun Kai" > To: > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:24:04 -0500 > > > Greetings, I am new to this mailing list. I just recently > picked up BPV2 > and > > I am quite impressed. I look forward to interacting with > you in the near > > future. For the time being I have a few questions. > > Hi, welcome to Tidewater Grill...have you tried running or > playing the game > yet? > > > Is there a FAQ for this list so that I don't ask a bunch of > questions that > > have already been answered? > > One is being made. > > > Who are the "official" voices on this list? > > Jim and Greg, for starters. Jeff Benage drops by occasionally. > > > How do the Cetaceans and Humans communicate efficiently? > > Efficiently? That's a human concept, not a cetacean one. So > of course there > are problems. But the way I run it, usually they talk in a > human language > and the cetaceans rely on their translators a lot, which > isn't efficient per > se, but rather the way most humans prefer it. So a player who takes > Interspec skill is going to have a much easier time getting > along with fins. > > Kai Poh > Malaysian Lagomorph, BPv1 Dinosaur > > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:51 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Weather Systems > -----Original Message----- > From: chalz@earthlink.net [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Weather Systems > > I was wondering if there are any maps, papers, articles, > etc dealing with the weather patterns on Poseidon. Ie, are > there specific 'stormy seasons' in specific regions? Are > I know there was a section on weather on Poseidon in v1 but I don't know which book it was put into in v2. Basically once a cyclone or hurricane starts there aren't significant enough land masses on the planet to stop it and it will continue through the storm belt, gain and lose energy, until the storm season is over. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:58 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit o f useless BP info) > -----Original Message----- > From: chalz@earthlink.net [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a > As far as natives v. colonists, my impression from what > I've read is it will be a sort of Native American v. > Europe/US view. "Here are some pretty beads; now shove off." > However, being somewhat knowledgeable about history, I'm > sure not ALL of the natives will be so easily cowed. And > others would probably adopt a sort of 'assimilate and it'll > all get better' philosophy. Just my opinions. > Keep in mind that the original colonist on Poseidon where among the best and the brightest that Earth could offer at the time. And there is a distinct Polynesian flavor to their lifestyle following Abandonment. So rather than North American Native American, think South Pacific Islander. With a PhD in particle physics. And an intimate knowledge of how to spear fish from an open canoe (as well as making the spear and building the canoe). But you are right about differences between Natives. Some accepting the help after Recontact. Some spurning the newcomers (to the point of open conflict). Some in the middle. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:08 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Foote [mailto:kfoote@inconnect.com] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer > > Greetings, I am new to this mailing list. I just recently > future. For the time being I have a few questions. > Welcome. > Is there a FAQ for this list so that I don't ask a bunch of > questions that have already been answered? > That's an issue that's come up recently and at least once before. We've (people on the list as well as a few of us Biohazardians) been trying to compile one so any help you can offer (with questions) will be appreciated. > Who are the "official" voices on this list? > Jeff Barber, Greg Benage, Jason Werner and I are all on the list. Right now Jeff isn't reading the list much in a sustained effort to get some writing assignments done (the Field Guide is in editing and layout). Greg reads the list regularly, however right now he's doing the editing and layout for the Field Guide. Jason reads when he can but he's in his residency in St. Louis right now. There are also a few of our "associate" Biohazardites on the list, Jay Moore (who runs some games for Jeff and I as well as being a booth monkey at cons), Brand Walker, Joe Heck, Guy Wilson and a few others who help us with playtesting. > How do the Cetaceans and Humans communicate efficiently? > A language of sounds and hand/arm/flipper motions called InterSpeak. And many cetaceans have drones which can communicate in normal speech (synthesized) with humans. Jim Jim Heivilin, Webmaster Biohazard Games http://www.biohazardgames.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:16 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit of us eless BP info) > -----Original Message----- > From: David R. Crowell [mailto:gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a > little bit of useless BP info) > > What sort of land title promises were made to the members > > assigned to untangling and resolving land title disputes. > As a point of comparison let me first say I worked in an Engineering Firm for a few years digitizing land plat maps. And from that experience I'd like to point out that even today with all our high tech gizmos and computerized maps, many plat and township maps are still old paper copies (that was one of the big jobs we did, computerizing these paper maps and aerial photos). Some of the more advanced places have aerial photographs. And interpretation of aerial photos is still (even today) very much an art rather than a science (which produces a ready source of plot conflicts). And any time a person is involved (and sometimes even when it's strictly electronic), error can creep in (by accident or on purpose) and boundary lines can be moved or "mutated". Plenty of space for a good plot hook! Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jeb Boyt [jeboyt@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Governance (Was: Land Title and the Natives) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kieren Martin" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:56:46 +1030 I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the 'native' settlers were originally to have rights to what they settled. This would be confirmed by whatever global government was set up. Here is the probblem There was no global government set up. As communication and travel became harder the concept of a global government was basically irrelivant. People were more concerned with their backyard and couldn't care less what was happening in someone elses. ================================ No global government for the initial settlement? I find that hard to believe. Someone, or some group, must have been in charge of the initial settlement effort. The initial settlers must have had some governing structure, some political entity who was responsible for allocating the Costeau's resources. That political entity would have been based out of Haven. After the resupply ship failed to show, that entity's authority would likely have become increasingly suspect, if not outright challenged, particularly by the groups that immigrated to the outlying islands. As I see, though, on recontact, the GEO would have looked to that entity, or maybe its successors, as the leader of the natives. That entity may have been able to confirm land titles and other rights with regard to the natives in Haven, and to a lesser extent the Haven Cluster (or at least confirm one story as to who held what titles and rights). That entity's ability to provide evidence in support of titles and rights would likely have diminished as you moved out from Haven. It is also likely that as you moved out from Haven that the native settlements were less likely to acknowledge the entity's authority to determine titles and rights. Jeb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: blaster219 [blaster219@hunter-net.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:08 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Abyss movie Just got the widescreen special edition of Abyss. Looks like with a few alterations it could form the basis of a really great Blue Planet adventure -- David Andrews Cole Tucker: "I happen to be mankinds best hope." Preed: "I weep for the species." --Titan AE-- Hunter-Net UK: http://www.hunter-net.co.uk Silverlake Online: http://come.to/silverlake *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:28 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Governance (Was: Land Title and the Nati >There was no global government set up. As communication and travel became >harder the concept of a global government was basically irrelivant. People >were more concerned with their backyard and couldn't care less what was >happening in someone elses. >================================ > >No global government for the initial settlement? I find that hard to >believe. Someone, or some group, must have been in charge of the initial >settlement effort. The initial settlers must have had some governing >structure, some political entity who was responsible for allocating the >Costeau's resources. Er - there *sort of* was. (This is dealt with in "First Colony" BTW) >That political entity would have been based out of Haven. After the >resupply ship failed to show, that entity's authority would likely have >become increasingly suspect, if not outright challenged, particularly by the >groups that immigrated to the outlying islands. It was more a gradual erosion of control as people left to spread out and fom other settlements, culminating with complete loss after the helium flash/reactor disaster and the resultant fire This damaged Haven's credibility as "capital" beyond repair. Afterwards, when people tried to reinstate somne sort of government, the (valid) question asked was "Why bother?" Thereafter native life pretty much "devolved" to a village council-type level. Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:13 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit o f useless BP info) **** So rather than North American Native American, think South Pacific Islander. With a PhD in particle physics. And an intimate knowledge of how to spear ** I wouldn't actually give them the PhD, unless the original colonists spent their time giving their offspring higher education which was no longer pratical or useful on this world. I'm more inclined to believe that they would've abandoned extraneous studies and pursuits for more practical pursuits, ie survival. After a couple generations, I believe they would not really be nearly as in touch with the 'modern world'. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:13 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Poseidon Land Titles (Was: a little bit o f useless BP info) I recommend the fine book Guns, Germs, and Steel. It's a great analysis of the rise of various civilizations over the last 13000 years, and does a very good job at explaining why some humans took over and others got wiped out. Among other things, it points out that centralization of government isn't a line from band to tribe to chiefdom to state, that it goes in many different directions, and many societies drop aspects when they are no longer worth it. If nothing else, it might give some interesting perspectives on natives and colonists. Among the many interesting things, to me, was that tribes and bands can be _very_ violent, as there is no system that creates consequence of actions. Rather, to avoid violence, men try to find out how they are related... it is familial bonds that avoid violence (somewhat). The illusion of the 'gentle savage' bears repeated shattering. ;) -=WIll _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:58 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer > That's an issue that's come up recently and at least once before. We've > (people on the list as well as a few of us Biohazardians) been trying to > compile one so any help you can offer (with questions) will be appreciated. RE: YES! pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease help! Otherwise I have to sort through 4000+ messages to find questions. -- ChrisTheS *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: BIOHZD@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:03 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Frontier Justice??? Hey Bro, I know I only contributed a few half baked idea, but I would still like to see a copy of FJ ; ). Malcolm, in SCOTLAND no less, already has a copy for creator's sake. Think I could get one? : P Later Bro, J- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mantisking@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 7:03 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: Polaris Translation Hey Eric; Thanks for the translation. I finally sat down and read it. I can't wait for this game to hit the U.S. so I can see the rest of it. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Eric Franklin [gamethyme@foxfyre.net] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:36 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: Polaris Translation Where do I get the translation? I must have missed a message or two somewhere ... Can anyone E-mail or point me in the right direction? Thanks, Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: Polaris Translation > Hey Eric; > Thanks for the translation. I finally sat down and read it. I > can't wait for this game to hit the U.S. so I can see the rest of it. > > Ray > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:23 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Newcomer **** RE: YES! pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease help! Otherwise I have to sort through 4000+ messages to find questions. -- ChrisTheS ** Look for anything with 'newbie', 'help' or 'question' in the subject first ;) Heh. Say, is there an archive of past messages somewhere? -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.