From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:52 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deckplans **** along with hundreds of SSMs is *much* cheaper to build than one aircraft ** SSMs... surface-to-surface missiles? **** To lend a *slight* big of credibility to my statements let me point out I have a degree in Aero/Astro Engineering and I spend some six months at the Army's ORWAC (Officer's Rotary Wing Aviator Course - flight school by any other name) at Fort Rucker trying to learn to fly helicopters. ** You sound paranoid there Jim, as if we weren't suppsed to believe you on your own merits.... *chuckles* -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - That Giant Squid Article My brother said he got the address for that giant squid article (about the squid being the peak of creation?) from a MUD he's on, and the person who posted it gave this URL as the source: http://www.cyberdespot.com/home.html?thoughts/squid.html&frames/left.html&frames/top.html That should all be one line, in case some mail programs don't see it that way. Warning, a bit of graphics and an applet. For some reason it caused this computer I'm on to choke a bit. This version loaded well enough, though: http://www.cyberdespot.com/home.html?thoughts/squid.html --Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:09 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar **** http://www.moller.com/skycar/ ** While this is a most yummy-looking device, I personally doubt its common feasibility. For starters, 15mi/gal? I didn't see its fuel capacity in gallons, but at current fuel rates, that's not cheap. And I doubt the vehicle can be as cheap as they're inferring. Also, the amount of personal training to go into one of these things just to be able to run it decently... Though that would keep a large amount of the chronically horrendous controllers from behind the controls. It looks so yummy. Can I have one? :) I do like this one part under 'Applications': Initially introduced in the M400, four-seat model, the volantor technology has the ability to be both scaled up to a six passenger, M600, or scaled down to a one passenger, M100. This allows a cost efficient vehicle size to accommodate a variety of military, paramilitary and commercial transport missions. Ie, "We accept military contracts! We have NO qualms against it!" Hehe. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:16 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - LTA airships **** zepplins and dirigibles handle storms in the 30's? Poseiden has fiercer storms, but also more advanced materials technolgy. ** I was thinking of using them in the less-stormy seasons and regions. But yeah, in the 20s and 30s they were used to cross oceans extensively. The Hindenburg alone made several flights between Germany and Brazil before the fatal accident in New Jersey. The funny thing is, despite how 'light' helium is, you have to remember, it's still twice as heavy as hydrogen...! -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:28 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 8:08 PM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > **** > http://www.moller.com/skycar/ > ** > While this is a most yummy-looking device, I personally doubt its common feasibility. For starters, 15mi/gal? I didn't see its fuel capacity in gallons, but at current fuel rates, that's not cheap. And I doubt the vehicle can be as cheap as they're inferring. Also, the amount of personal training to go into one of these things just to be able to run it decently... Though that would keep a large amount of the chronically horrendous controllers from behind the controls. Alternatively, and perhaps somewhat cynically, this problem could be self limmiting in that in a short while all the incompetant boobs ("chronicly horendous controlers") would have crached and removed themselves as potential hazards to navigation.... > It looks so yummy. Can I have one? :) > I do like this one part under 'Applications': > Initially introduced in the M400, four-seat model, the volantor technology has the ability to be both scaled up to a six passenger, M600, or scaled down to a one passenger, M100. This allows a cost efficient vehicle size to accommodate a variety of military, paramilitary and commercial transport missions. > Ie, "We accept military contracts! We have NO qualms against it!" Hehe. You're just being paranoid! Although I did really see an unmarked black helicopter flying low over the neighborhood (I use the term losely, I live out in farm country) the other day.... --dave But on a more serious note, this does tend to answr my question of "If jumpcraft are so great why don't we at least have prototypes?" These are "cute". I'm sorry but they are, in kind of the same way as the Miata is. > > -C > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at > http://www.mail2web.com/ . > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:35 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deckplans **** Anti-Ship configuration. Hell the 'Kinetic Harpoon' idea used in Peter F Hamilton's Night's Dawn Triology:- Drop stuff on it from orbit. (If you havent read the Nights Dawn Trilogy...go do so...boosted mercs, byzantine politics and alliances and the frontier world of Lalonde in the first book, although no water world, gives a lot of cool ideas for a 'high tech/Low Tech' world and the effects of Genetic Modification) Any body who aint the ** hehehehehe... I was lauding said Trilogy a while back, when I first got on the list and into Blue Planet. Lalonde is a perfect example of this frontier-style life. And with regards to a water-world, remember Atlantis, with the engineered/grown bitek 'islands'. That series is such a wonderful companion for this game ;) On a side note: Have you read 'A Second Chance at Eden'? Major "purr" factor. I read it before I got to The Naked God (third book), and it fit nicely there, especially when Joshua recounted the true story of his father's exploits.... **** for Helo's and Harriers.........and the US Navy has plans drawn up for a 'Sea Supremacy Ship'...this was a standard container carrier vessel...bolt a deck onto the top layer of containers...make some of those containers rather ** That sounds a lot like the basis behind the originaly aircraft carriers ;) **** Third Idea:- Those Huge submersible's mentioned in the fluid Mechs (Benthic Universe class) as Sub Carriers.......if they surface to off load cargo...no reason they couldnt launch/recover Jumpcraft/VTOL's. The water gives Armour against arial attack and a certain degree of ** Look for reports on the proposed Japanese attack on the Panama Canal back in WWII. They actually had a couple subs (I don't remember how many) which were fitted with a water-tight aircraft hangar and could launch a single aircraft. Wish I could find more info on this, but off the bat.. *shrugs* Anyways, I was thinking about this earlier. Consider a converted missile sub. That could (in theory?) easily be converted to support V/STOL craft. **** course something that big is going to be easier to spot from orbit than a smaller sub'. ** Absolutely. Something to keep in mind. Plus smaller hunter/killer subs. Youch. This could get heavy.. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 8:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar **** Alternatively, and perhaps somewhat cynically, this problem could be self limmiting in that in a short while all the incompetant boobs ("chronicly horendous controlers") would have crached and removed themselves as potential hazards to navigation.... ** However, as with road accidents, they usually tend to take out innocents with them :/ Particularly when drunk. Hoo boy! We'd have to start mounting anti-aircraft batteries on the Empire State Building again... **** > Ie, "We accept military contracts! We have NO qualms against it!" Hehe. You're just being paranoid! Although I did really see an unmarked black ** You'd be paranoid too if everyone was out to get you. **** helicopter flying low over the neighborhood (I use the term losely, I live out in farm country) the other day.... ** Not that uncommon. I mean, for crying out loud, look where we live :P I live in the back yard of a miniature local airport ;) **** "cute". I'm sorry but they are, in kind of the same way as the Miata is. ** Very cute. And nice. And fun, I'm sure! :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chad Chirhart [seahawk@visi.com] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:52 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - LTA airships Well, there's some mention of Incorp cargo blimps in Natural Selection. Hmmm... does that make them offical? Chad Chirhart seahawk@visi.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Need a domain name Hi all, As I mentioned last week, I am starting an online index/contest of all the Blue Planet books. The first month of the contest, it will be open to only those who read the mailing list. After that I will be announcing it to the world. (I kinda want a good running start before I open the flood gates) Before I let in the rest of the world, I would really like to get a good domain name so I don't have to use www.io.com/~tippy/blue_planet. The problem is I don't have any idea of what it should be. Any suggestions? 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