From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:03 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - GM query **** My query - Are all of you Blue Planet GMs just a) referring to all events as past b) dropping them in where you like (IMC = In My Campaign) c) ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. ** In our game, all I know is the year. So when I started writing my journal-style recounts of our games, I just chose an arbitrary starting date. **** PS For that matter, are there any other PBEM games of Blue Planet? ** Talk with Mexal. Er, Megan Roberts, I think? Heh. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:59 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: OT RE: [BLUE PLANET] - OT: Oceanspace **** I just finished the paparback version of "Oceanspace" by Allen Steele. An excellent book, all contents apply very well to BP. It seems very well researched with a bibliography in the final pages. I heartily reccomend this book to the entire list. ** What kind of book is it? Is it a biography, science novel, scifi, *punk, science near-fiction, technothriller...? -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:26 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar >**** >Erm. My Porsche doesnt give me much more than that now.........and thats a >GROUND car! >** > A Porsche? Oh whine whine whine :P If you can afford a Porsche, you should be able to afford the gas for it too. Coz if you can't... what're you doing with a Porsche? ;) Who's complaining? I'm just pointing out if a motor-head on a slightly better than average salary (like me) can afford to own and run a Porsche....then aircars are within reach...if only like my Porsche, several owners down the line. Of course it helps to a be mechanic yourself and to have good build quality on the vehicle. Rather like most Bush Pilots in BP I'd say. DomT ------------------------------------------------ Global WebMail - Delivered by Global Internet www.global.net.uk ------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Megan C. Robertson [mcrobertson@phoenix.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:25 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GM query Greetings dear hearts. Yes, I am in the process of starting a PBeM game :-) Timeline: haven't thought about one yet, but why don't we put our heads together and come up with one? You wanna play in my game? May I play in yours? Hugs and kisses, Mexal. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:01 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - LTA etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: David R. Crowell [mailto:gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - LTA etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heivilin, Jim > > 'kewl' as a 'word' much less use it) never entered > Jim, my apologies to you and the rest of the list for my use > of "that word". > Think nothing of it. I just don't use it, however I understand the connotations so communications was accomplished. > Those that argue for new game mechanics and new technologies > regardless of their actual utility, based on their ability > to provide something new and different. > I, personally, am having just that problem in our D&D3ed campaign. All these new feats and skills, which ones to work on? > As for the flight control problem that some one mentioned for VTOL and > helicopters, I am willing to posit improved computer assisted > piloting. > When it was announced that the F-22 would go into production there was a spate of new flight simulator games introduced to the market. Detractors derided many of them because they were too "arcade-like". Informed sources, however, pointed out that they were authentic and that the actual aircraft was *just* that easy to fly. As early as the Block 3 F-16s, flight controls had evolved to the point that they wouldn't allow the pilot to exceed the flight envelope. Of course there was some concern by experienced pilots since there are times when you *need* to push it past the edge of the envelope. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:08 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deckplans > -----Original Message----- > From: chalz@earthlink.net [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: RE: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deckplans > > **** > along with hundreds of SSMs is *much* cheaper to build than > one aircraft > ** > SSMs... surface-to-surface missiles? > Yes. And having used that term it occurs to me we were discussing *aircraft* attacking a surface ship, so they would be using ASMs (Air-to-surface missiles). > **** > To lend a *slight* big of credibility to my statements let me > other name) at Fort Rucker trying to learn to fly helicopters. > ** > You sound paranoid there Jim, as if we weren't suppsed to > believe you on your own merits.... *chuckles* > Well, I see a lot of people saying a lot of things on some of the mailing lists I'm on. I've sometimes discovered (on topics I don't know much about, for example there was a bit on one about the organization of American Law Enforcement asked by some gamers in the UK - it revealed that the first poster was so full of ... Stuff, that nothing he said was worth the electrons it was written with. But subsequent posts by others revealed a *lot* of good info) that people who post to some of these don't necessarily know what they're talking about. So to allay any fears that *I* don't know what trash I'm spewing, I offered my credentials. I don't claim to be an expert by any means, and I haven't actually *worked* in the aviation industry, I've just been reading books since I was 13. And for the military aspects I *will* claim to be something of an expert since Army (and in fact most military) officers receive a bunch of training on a bunch of topics. This list, however, seems to be the exception. As with the original work on the book, everyone seems to chime in on their subject of expertise to share a *lot* of good info. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:17 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > -----Original Message----- > From: chalz@earthlink.net [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > > **** > http://www.moller.com/skycar/ > ** > While this is a most yummy-looking device, I personally > doubt its common feasibility. For starters, 15mi/gal? I > didn't see its fuel capacity in gallons, but at current fuel > rates, that's not cheap. > Listed range for the M400 is 900 miles which would yield a fuel capacity of 60 gallons. > Though that would keep a large amount of > the chronically horrendous controllers from behind the controls. > There is one upside. All those bad drivers (especially in university towns in the middle of Missouri) would quickly kill themselves trying to hover it and not get in front of me during the daily commute. I just hope they don't land on me! It still sounds a bit far fetched to me. Build it in your garage and fly it for fun on the weekends but replace the automobile? If it were feasible I would suspect the Big Four would already be trying to sabotage it. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:16 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar While, I don't see the skycar making any inroads into the personal vehicle market for a long time. I do see it making big inroads into the emergency vehicle market. With efforts to combat urban sprawl increasing, many urban areas will become more congested. An emergency vehicle that can fly and hover in a small space would be a boon. A skycar would require less space than a helicopter to land and it could avoid power/phone lines more easily. In rural/wilderness settings, the ability to fly over fields and wilderness would greatly speed up emergency responces. While helicopters can do the same, they are limited in their choice of landing spots. Rotors and trees do not mix. The skycar should also be cheaper to maintain, which is aways a boon to rural areas which usually don't have a large cash flow. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Greg Benage [gbenage@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:53 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > Rotors and trees do not mix. Bah. That's what Agent Orange is for. ;) Greg FFG *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 8:04 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Helicopters of the future? **** From: thom thomd@blarg.net ** Seriously? Blarg.net? I like it :) **** Just joined the list, and in the middle of this discussion, but ** Welcome aboard! If you're looking for mailing list archives to help you understand where the current discussions are coming from, check out: http://www.biohazardgames.com/board.html **** I look at the "sixth day" type craft piloted by Ahnold as being more inline with Earth 2199. ** Was it a good movie? Didn't see it. I may have to see it now, because of that mention. --Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jeb Boyt [jeboyt@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:32 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Rotors (Was: skycar) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Greg Benage" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:52:57 -0700 From: > Rotors and trees do not mix. Bah. That's what Agent Orange is for. ;) ================================= Now, now Greg. We don't want to be importing dioxin to Poseidon now do we. Besides, Agent Orange is only a defoliant, and it's not the leaves but the tree limbs that interfer with rotor operations. Awhile back I came across a book on the low-tech ways that the North Vietnamese Army used to thwart the U.S. military's technological advantages. One of my favorites was that they would stick 10 ft poles into forest clearings so that any helicopter that landed in the clearing would shear-off its rotors. Jeb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Greg Benage [gbenage@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:02 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Rotors (Was: skycar) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeb Boyt" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Rotors (Was: skycar) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Greg Benage" > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:52:57 -0700 > > From: > > Rotors and trees do not mix. > > Bah. That's what Agent Orange is for. ;) > ================================= > > Now, now Greg. We don't want to be importing dioxin to Poseidon now do we. > Besides, Agent Orange is only a defoliant, and it's not the leaves but the > tree limbs that interfer with rotor operations. So add napalm. Greg FFG *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:49 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > -----Original Message----- > From: Ml10@aol.com [mailto:Ml10@aol.com] > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > With efforts to combat urban sprawl increasing, many urban > areas will become more congested. An emergency vehicle that > can fly and hover in a small space would be a boon. A skycar > would require less space than a helicopter to land and it > could avoid power/phone lines more easily. > Good point. Although it's not a widely known fact, a helicopter with any sort of payload has problems hovering unless it's within what's known as "ground effect". This distance varies from aircraft to aircraft but is usually twice the span of the rotors. Warm days with high humidity also lower effective payloads. Another little known fact is that while a helicopter may not need a "runway", it does require a clear approach which would appear to be much like a runway. So while the touchdown point need only be about 25-50% larger than the rotor diameter, a clear sloped approach is necessary for between 200 and 400 feet leading up to this point. Any trees or (especially) powerlines in this area usually make landing a no go. And the landing point needs to be relatively flat. Landing on a slope above about 15 or 20 percent can be bad (rollover on landing is Really Bad(tm)). It's possible this sky-car could avoid most of these problems. Jim "who has an interesting story about a time when rotors and trees *almost* mixed" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sean Michael Whipkey [highway@cstone.net] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:44 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar "Heivilin, Jim" wrote: > Build it in your garage and fly it for fun on the weekends but replace the > automobile? If it were feasible I would suspect the Big Four would already > be trying to sabotage it. So perhaps it would end up more like a motorcycle; of great appeal to a subset of people, who vary from those who ride them only very rarely to those who only ride bikes, but the average person, while aware of them, has never ridden and/or doesn't have the skills to ride one. SeanMike patiently waiting for his motorcycle to get out of the shop. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Dom Twist [thazar@globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:20 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar >>Rotors and trees do not mix. > > Bah. That's what Agent Orange is for. ;) > I once had the misfortune of being a passanger (a VERY scared one) as a somewhat insane Navy Pilot droped his SeaKing Commando into a VERY small clearing choping bits of trees down with his rotors..........I was very glad to get out on the ground I can tell you........I'm told it all comes down to judging how thick the branches are.........its them vs the Rotors. DomTdislikes Helo's *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Dom Twist [thazar@globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:28 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > I once had the misfortune of being a passanger (a VERY scared one) as a > somewhat insane Navy Pilot droped his SeaKing Commando into a VERY small > clearing choping bits of trees down with his rotors..........I was very glad > to get out on the ground I can tell you........I'm told it all comes down to > judging how thick the branches are.........its them vs the Rotors. Having just read my last post.....thats BRANCHES...not TREES people! I've seen chunks of helos that have tried to chop down trees........walking past a yellow sheet of ex-Sea King with the Words 'Rescue' on it is a sobering experience. DomT *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 4:41 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Hi, Okay, this is 7.5 hours early, but what the heck..... Phase 1 of the Blue Planet Index Project, B-PIP for short, is ready to go. B-PIP is a combination online project and contest whose goal is to create the most comprehensive index of all Blue Planet (V2) books and the GM screen. Phase 1 is the phase in which data is collected and the tools are tested. The output/search part of the cgi script is not yet ready for prime time and needs lots of work. However, the more data that is entered into the database, the easier it will be to finish. Phase 1 will last the month of May. On June 1, Phase 2 will begin by announcing the project to the world at large with a proper domain name. Until then, I ask that B-PIP remain a secret known only to those who read the mailing list. The contest part of B-PIP is simple, who ever scores the most points in a given timeframe will win some BP stuff. The prize for May will be 3 Blue Planet books of the winner's choice. Keywords score 1 point, page references score 10-20 points depending on the type of reference. The current URL for B-PIP (for Phase 1 only) is http://www.io.com/~tippy/start.html Thanks, Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mantisking@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:32 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: OT: Oceanspace Hey All; I wrote " I just finished the paparback version of "Oceanspace" by Allen Steele. An excellent book, all contents apply very well to BP. It seems very well researched with a bibliography in the final pages. I heartily reccomend this book to the entire list." C wrote "What kind of book is it? Is it a biography, science novel, scifi, *punk, science near-fiction, technothriller...?" Whoops. Lets call it a near-future science thriller. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Megan C. Robertson [mcrobertson@phoenix.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:58 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Greetings Mike, and the rest of you dear hearts. Looks impressive. Have had a quick play... more soon :-) Hugs and kisses, Mexal. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:22 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Ack! Found the first problem: User Error! If you are competing in the contest, then after you sign in, you can not use the backspace button. This is because, I am not using cookies to keep track of the logins, the page will not tell you if you are not logged in. To navigate, use the menu at the top of the page. To keep things fair, the two people who have submitted stuff so far (since I can not tell who submitted what) will receive 200 points apiece for helping me find this bug. Thanks, Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:54 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deckplans **** This list, however, seems to be the exception. As with the original work on the book, everyone seems to chime in on their subject of expertise to share a *lot* of good info. ** And then there's me, with no real expertise at all; just a dabble here and a dabble there. That and plenty of questions to get much out in the open ;) --Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:01 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar **** Build it in your garage and fly it for fun on the weekends but replace the automobile? If it were feasible I would suspect the Big Four would already be trying to sabotage it. ** Mayhaps, or trying to take it over. Did you see the 'Lone Gunmen' episode with the car that ran on water? It was an oil company exec trying to steal the car - they (the Lone Gunmen) thought it was to destroy it, but in fact it was to produce it. Had an interesting twist at the end. --Charles -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:10 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar **** With efforts to combat urban sprawl increasing, many urban areas will become more congested. An emergency vehicle that can fly and hover in a small space would be a boon. A skycar would require less space than a helicopter to land and it could avoid power/phone lines more easily. ** That's a thought which hadn't occurred to me. Makes sense, too. When I was working in the middle of uptown Houston, our office was just a few blocks from a fire station, and it was quite common to hear sirens of emergency vehicles in that area because *no one would get out of the way*. Seriously! At a 4-way intersection of 4 lane roads (2 lanes in each direction), no one would get out of the way and stop doing right-on-red to let an ambulance by :/ **** In rural/wilderness settings, the ability to fly over fields and wilderness would greatly speed up emergency responces. While helicopters can do the ** Like bush pilots, yeah. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:15 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Rotors (Was: skycar) **** One of my favorites was that they would stick 10 ft poles into forest clearings so that any helicopter that landed in the clearing would shear-off its rotors. ** They're also good for parachuters. Are YOU going to see a tall, thin, sharp pole when you're coming down on it point-first? This would make an interesting exercise in ways to disrupt GEO patrol vehicles. There's a book by... Oh, who was it.. W.E. Baker.. I forget.. William? Anyways, I think it was called 'Shadow Hunter', which dealt with nature/wasteland versus humanity, and in part birds were 'commanded' to run suicide into jet intakes for the sheer purpose of taking the planes down. A goose hitting a regular plane canopy going at a good clip will cause some .... serious headaches... -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:25 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go **** Phase 1 of the Blue Planet Index Project, B-PIP for short, is ready to go. ** Hey, like the PIP Boy from 'Fallout' ;) I like it already :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.