From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:54 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go B-PIP it is alive and well and slowly growing. At this point, we have appeared to index about .1% of the Player's Guide. So even if you just own the Player's Guide, there is plenty of oppertunities to win for the month of May. I also just added all the issues of Undercurrents to the book list. This means that those of you who don't even own the PG can participate as all the issues of Undercurrents are free at the BHG's site. Thanks, Mike Z In a message dated 5/1/01 3:07:28 AM Central Daylight Time, mcrobertson@phoenix.co.uk writes: << Greetings dear hearts. Oh dear, did I kill it? :-( Sorry! Hugs and kisses, Mexal. >> *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Megan C. Robertson [mcrobertson@phoenix.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:59 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Greetings dear hearts. Oh dear, did I kill it? :-( Sorry! Hugs and kisses, Mexal. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Voidmind [bitterreign@bitterreign.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:08 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: blue_planet-digest V1999 #506 www.bitterreign.com "Expand the Darkness" www.kult-rpg.org "The Abyss" ICQ#78772335 Ack.. somehow I am getting digests and not normal by posts... Anyone know how to change that? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:33 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > -----Original Message----- > From: chalz@earthlink.net [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar > station, and it was quite common to hear sirens of emergency > vehicles in that area because *no one would get out of the > way*. Seriously! At a 4-way intersection of 4 lane roads (2 > So central Missouri isn't the only place people drive like they've just had a lobotomy. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:35 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: blue_planet-digest V1999 #506 **** Ack.. somehow I am getting digests and not normal by posts... Anyone know how to change that? ** Not off the top of my head. But the mailing list I run uses Mailman instead of Majordomo, and the way it goes is send a message to (in this case) majordomo@lists.ient.com with 'help' in the body; nothing else. You should get a 'reference card' back. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:38 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: OT RE: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - re: skycar **** > station, and it was quite common to hear sirens of emergency > vehicles in that area because *no one would get out of the > way*. Seriously! At a 4-way intersection of 4 lane roads (2 > So central Missouri isn't the only place people drive like they've just had a lobotomy. ** Nope. Although they drive that way there for sure. Even the police will just whip out in front of you for no reason. Well, one cop did when I was in Columbia :/ -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:41 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - More on the PIP If anyone (particularly Mike) is feeling especially masochistic, we could always include the mailing list archives in the PIP.... *mwahahah* -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 11:49 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: blue_planet-digest V1999 #506 > -----Original Message----- > From: Voidmind [mailto:bitterreign@bitterreign.com] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: blue_planet-digest V1999 #506 > > Ack.. somehow I am getting digests and not normal by posts... > > Anyone know how to change that? > If your mailbox gets full then I start getting a bounced message for every message someone sends to the list. In order to not flood my mailbox, I, as a matter of policy, unsub people from the main list and sub them to the digest list (so I'll only get a few bounced messages a day). You can unsub from the digest list and go back to the main list by using these commands. 1. Send email to majordomo@lists.ient.com. 2. To unsub use the command. unsubscribe blue_planet-digest Unless you're send the message from an email address which is NOT subscribed. In that case add the email address you're subscribed from at the end of the command. For example unsubscribe blue_planet-digest jqpublic@my-isp.com 3. Sub using this command. subscribe blue_planet Or subscribe blue_planet jqpublic@my-isp.com If this doesn't work or you have problems, email me at banzai@missouri.edu. Jim Jim Heivilin, Webmaster Biohazard Games http://www.biohazardgames.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:01 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More on the PIP In a message dated Tue, 1 May 2001 12:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "chalz@earthlink.net" writes: << If anyone (particularly Mike) is feeling especially masochistic, we could always include the mailing list archives in the PIP.... *mwahahah* >> Actually, one of the things that I want to do sometime this year is create a nice front end to the archive complete with search capability. There are several technical issues I have to work out yet. Most of the issues revolve around the fact that the archive is available via FTP. I don't want to start hammering someone else's FTP server and I really don't want to mirror the messages locally. But, I have to finish B-PIP and a chargen program first. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:34 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More on the PIP **** Actually, one of the things that I want to do sometime this year is create a nice front end to the archive complete with search capability. ** You should've seen what I had to go through to find the message which mentioned the '10 Reasons Kids Should Play Roleplaying Games' article. Thank the Universe for easy-to-use scripting languages with easy network access. **** There are several technical issues I have to work out yet. Most of the issues revolve around the fact that the archive is available via FTP. I don't want to start hammering someone else's FTP server and I really don't want to mirror the messages locally. ** Indeed. The messages are also available as .txt files through the BHZ site, though I don't know what the limitations of their pipe are (ie, total MB xfer/mo). Other than hitting the FTP every time someone searched, the only other option I know of is a local mirror. This can be accomplished through server-side script (or a script on a remote machine to retrieve from one machine and post to another). Initially, you could download all of the messages, then run a word indexing program on all the files and store the results in a database. Then the search goes through the database, pulls up references to likely matches in a hyperlinked page where a user can click on a link to the relevant message. Thing is, individual messages aren't stored as files, aren't in HTML format and .. I don't know what the term is, where you have # in an HTML doc. Anyways, it sounds like you'd have to mirror for that anyways. There's a good few meg - over 11M if I recall correctly. Again, scripting would be called for to break them apart or use the # style. *phew* Just some ideas. **** But, I have to finish B-PIP and a chargen program first. ** You have your work cut out for you Mike ;) -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David Chart [hist@dchart.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:12 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go OK, first question. How do we do cross-references? For example, I've added head-words for HIST and Long John. I want to add 'Haven Institute of Science and Technology: See HIST' and 'Xenosilicate: See Long John'. Is there a feature for this? Or can I just rack up points by adding all the references individually? David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David Chart [hist@dchart.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:38 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go 2nd Question At the moment, I'm using 'Indirect Reference' when the reference should be under the head-word, but is tangential. For example, for a reference from 'Native' to the Native origin package. This probably isn't worth extra points, because it's easy to find, but the index should have the additional information in. How do you want to handle this? David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David Chart [hist@dchart.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:44 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Not a question. I'm going to take a break for a little while, to eat and give people a chance to see my current score. ;-) (I just went to check it, and there it was...) David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:37 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go I am working out the best way to handle cross references. It should be in place soon. Thanks, Mike Z In a message dated Tue, 1 May 2001 2:20:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, David Chart writes: << OK, first question. How do we do cross-references? For example, I've added head-words for HIST and Long John. I want to add 'Haven Institute of Science and Technology: See HIST' and 'Xenosilicate: See Long John'. Is there a feature for this? Or can I just rack up points by adding all the references individually? David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. >> *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Index Project is a go Just keep using the indirect box. I'm a Software Engineer so the real techical terms for indexing are unknown to me. Anything that requires text should use the indirect box. If anyone can suggest a better term, I am open to suggestions. As for the points... Typing the extra description takes extra effort, which is why it is rewarded with points. Mike Z In a message dated Tue, 1 May 2001 2:48:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, David Chart writes: << 2nd Question At the moment, I'm using 'Indirect Reference' when the reference should be under the head-word, but is tangential. For example, for a reference from 'Native' to the Native origin package. This probably isn't worth extra points, because it's easy to find, but the index should have the additional information in. How do you want to handle this? David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. >> *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:23 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Natural Selection... Aaah... have my mits on author's copies at last! (chew slobber) Mmmm. Now just have to see if I get savaged in reviews... -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Atti2dboy@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:53 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Hardware List (was Indexes) Hello, Has anyone compiled a hardware list? Equipping characters was difficult enough when there was only one book to leaf through, now there are three books with hardware included. My aptitude for procrastination and lack of a BP game have kept me from working one up. But if no one else has done it I'm sure I'll get around to it real soon. ;-) Rich *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andy Wills [andywills@stormsurge.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:05 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Reply to lots of stuff I'm sorry I don't have time to break these all apart, but I just got back from vacation and have a mess of mail. Deckplans of Oil Rigs--there's some lying around here, but I don't know if I can get them scanned. They're for the Strait of Magellan, so I guess they're probably pretty weather-proofed. Harriers and such--I just finished reading a book on the Falklands conflict, and the Harriers seem very flexible; the Brits used two pretty minimal carriers that couldn't launch jets for the Harriers and the Atlantic Conveyor(which was sunk, so maybe it wasn't that great of an idea) for Chinooks. However, the Harriers seemed way outclassed in speed by the Argentine's second-rate jets. So maybe they wouldn't be such a great idea in a real conflict, but in the skirmishes that are probably the max that will be found in BP, what's the problem? PBeM--would love to play, what are the current characters(so I can create one that fits in well)? Index--also sounds neat, I'll go take a peek after I clean out my other 70 messages. -Andy *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Luke Walker [luke.walker@izardweston.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:56 PM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Reply to lots of stuff >Deckplans of Oil Rigs--there's some lying around here, but I don't know if I >can get them scanned. They're for the Strait of Magellan, so I guess they're >probably pretty weather-proofed. I have been looking for deck plans and the like for Oil Rigs and research stations for a while. Where did you get them and will you scan them for your site? Luke *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mantisking@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:04 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Reply to lots of stuff Hey All; Andy Wills wrote "Harriers and such--I just finished reading a book on the Falklands conflict, and the Harriers seem very flexible; the Brits used two pretty minimal carriers that couldn't launch jets for the Harriers and the Atlantic Conveyor(which was sunk, so maybe it wasn't that great of an idea) for Chinooks. However, the Harriers seemed way outclassed in speed by the Argentine's second-rate jets. So maybe they wouldn't be such a great idea in a real conflict, but in the skirmishes that are probably the max that will be found in BP, what's the problem?" Speed is nice in getting from place to place, or running away. In a dogfight maneuverability and turning radius are what really counts. And if I recall correctly, the Argentinians were using mainly Mirages. Not really second-rate jets. Ray *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mike Czaplinski [mikec@busworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:01 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Natural Selection... At 04:23 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >Aaah... have my mits on author's copies at last! > >(chew slobber) > >Mmmm. > > >Now just have to see if I get savaged in reviews... Not if I have anything to say about it. I am not exagerating to say that NATURAL SELECTION, moreso than even FLUID MECHANICS is *the* book in the BLUE PLANET line that I have been waiting for ever since I picked up my copy of BPv1. And, unlike so many other things in this life that we anticipate for years and years: THIS ONE WAS WORTH THE WAIT. From the first chapter on surivival tips (which, if my limited experience in the area is any judge) would work well in real life as well as in the world of BP, through the detailed listings of the various ecosystems of Poseidon and, naturally, more 'monsters' than one could have reasonably expected. I haven't yet done more than scan the book, but even the adventure in the last chapter looks to be interesting. If there is anything that can be said against it, it's the lack of any seeming speculation on the Abbos, but as I said, I haven't done more than scan the book , and in any event: given the conceit of the book as an edition of the official GEO Field Guide, such speculation would be out of place. Even still, though, something about it would have been welcome. MikeC, who hasn't even finished reading the PG all the way through, but will be reading NS on the train for the next two weeks....... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mike Czaplinski [mikec@busworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:06 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Reply to lots of stuff At 07:04 PM 5/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hey All; > Andy Wills wrote "Harriers and such--I just finished reading > a book on the Falklands conflict, and the Harriers seem very > flexible; the Brits used two pretty minimal carriers that couldn't > launch jets for the Harriers and the Atlantic Conveyor(which was > sunk, so maybe it wasn't that great of an idea) for Chinooks. > However, the Harriers seemed way outclassed in speed by the > Argentine's second-rate jets. So maybe they wouldn't be such a > great idea in a real conflict, but in the skirmishes that are > probably the max that will be found in BP, what's the problem?" > > Speed is nice in getting from place to place, or running away. >In a dogfight maneuverability and turning radius are what really >counts. And if I recall correctly, the Argentinians were using mainly >Mirages. Not really second-rate jets. AFAIR, the Argies had a mixture of Mirages (probably III's or 2000's) and old US jets (mostly A-4's). The Mirages would have certainly been able to fly circles around the Harriers except for the Harrier's unique VTOL capabilities (they can vector the thrust downward during full power flight, dropping several hundred feet in a couple of seconds only to rest on the downward thrust), but the A-4, though a capable air-to-ground combatant, would probably, at best, be able to keep up with a Harrier speed-wise. MikeC, who thinks that the acquisition of the Harrier by the USMC was the best procurement decision made since Vietnam..... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.