From: Adam Lewis [adamswork@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:19 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] --- "Heivilin, Jim" wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 May 2001 19:51, you wrote: > > It might be cheaper to ship inmates to Poseidon > > than to imprison them. There are certainly a large > > number of non-violent crimes with long jail times. > > If those inmates are shipped to Poseidon, given > > some colonial training, they can easily start > their > > lives over again at a reduced cost to GEO. > I think you're on the right track, but i would guess that prisoners would be shipped to a cheaper off-earth locaction. Mars or our moon would be good canidates. AdamL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Angus McNicholl [darthgus@lineone.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:33 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... Gus: Its not up yet, give me a month and it will be, then your all welcome to bookmark it and use it as a link, I'll post to the list when I'm ready to upload the site... Gus... http://website.lineone.net/~darthgus/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Sir Charles To: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... > > Also working on a BP website for which I'm generating matterial, so of > which > > you've seen already... How about '50 fathoms down' as a working title, so > > I'm building a campaign around the idea of the Rhine Foundation sending an > > expedition out to investigate claims of Abo 'psi-ability', also a group > > called the Melelev Institute which should permit a new character origins / > > backgrounds, and finally at least one appearnace of a Virt, new character > > race not really intended for players but give me a month or so and you'll > be > > able to judge my ideas for yourself when I get the site up... > Sounds pretty wild man. I've bookmarked your site; haven't looked around > it too much yet. Mind if I include it in my list of BP links on my site? > http://www.chalz.net/bp/ if you'd like to check it out first. Nothing > special. I'd like to hear when you get this stuff polished. > > -C > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:46 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] In a message dated Fri, 18 May 2001 8:25:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Adam Lewis writes: << > > On Wednesday 16 May 2001 19:51, you wrote: > > It might be cheaper to ship inmates to Poseidon > > than to imprison them. There are certainly a large > > number of non-violent crimes with long jail times. > > If those inmates are shipped to Poseidon, given > > some colonial training, they can easily start > their > > lives over again at a reduced cost to GEO. > I think you're on the right track, but i would guess that prisoners would be shipped to a cheaper off-earth locaction. Mars or our moon would be good canidates. >> Both the Mars and Moon require life support devices which would add to the expense. This would mean an enclosed dome that GEO would then have to man. An island on Earth seems like a good choice, but it would be too easy for an inmate to arrange for an escape. A remote island on Poseidon doesn't have that problem. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Megan C. Robertson [mcrobertson@phoenix.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:37 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] Greetings dear hearts. Thoughts on exporting convicts... Some folk have suggested using other places in the solar system (e.g. Mars or the Moon)... while that would work for containment purposes (but not be madly cheap due to life-support systems, the need to feed them, etc.) it does not address the point that convicts might be sent to Poseidon as an unskilled labour pool (the 'Ivets' of Hamilton's 'Reality Disfunction' novel). I see scope for non-violent (or 'cured' violent - depending on your faith in whatever treatments are available!) convicts either being shipped out by GEO, 'chain-gang' style or perhaps offered (hired out?) to corporations, "You feed 'em and house 'em and you can use them as a labour force to build your new base, clean, empty the bins, whatever." Hugs and kisses, Mexal. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Angus McNicholl [darthgus@lineone.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:44 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - BP Prison System Gus: Just came across this entry on page 18 of Frontier Justice... "Violent or dangerious criminals are tyipically sent to Prosperity Station before being sent to Earth for long term incarceration." Gus... http://website.lineone.net/~darthgus/index.html From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:47 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] > does not address the point that convicts might be sent to Poseidon as an > unskilled labour pool (the 'Ivets' of Hamilton's 'Reality Disfunction' > novel). I love it when we're all on the same wavelength :) Hamilton rules! OT: I got a friend of mine to read 'The Reality Dysfunction', tho he was skeptical at first. He doesn't do space scifi. But he loved it. He then got the successive books. Then, waiting for the final book (The Naked God), he decided not to wait - but actually paid an enormous amount to get a hot-off-the-press copy shipped to him straight from England (being Hamilton a Brit author), complete with signature. > I see scope for non-violent (or 'cured' violent - depending on your faith in > whatever treatments are available!) convicts either being shipped out by Biomods and implants for 'behavior modification'? > GEO, 'chain-gang' style or perhaps offered (hired out?) to corporations, > "You feed 'em and house 'em and you can use them as a labour force to build > your new base, clean, empty the bins, whatever." It surprises me that we don't do that more... *looks around paranoid-like* -C *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jeb Boyt [jeboyt@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:49 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sir Charles" Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:35:19 -0400 > cruel thought nicked from the Illuminatus! books - a Free Zone sectioned off from the rest of the world, where criminals are dumped and abandoned....) Hehehe... 'Escape from New York' ;) ================================= Sounds like a World of Hurt setting to me. Given the cost of shipping things through the Wormhole and the number of law-abiding people who are interested in emigrating to Poseidon for a new life with new opportunities, I cannot imagine why the GEO or anyone else would want to pay to ship criminals to Poseidon. It would be far cheaper to use some of Earth's Free Zones. Ok, I lied, I just thought of a reason. An Incorporate State with space to spare on its transports might ship convicts to Poseidon if they were interested in making things rough for the GEO: "Hi welcome to Haven. Here is 100 Hanover Script. If you ever set foot in Hanover jurisdiction again, you will be subject to immediate termination. Have a nice day." Jeb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andy Wills [andywills@stormsurge.org] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:45 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sir Charles To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... > Also note that, like in 'The Reality Dysfunction', a 'boss' might set it > up so that a person /specifically/ gets sent off-world; be they a stoolie, > or extra violent, or just not needed any longer. Which brings to mind something I hadn't considered, in Blue Planet at least. Incorporate power plays are pretty Machiavellian, right? So, for example when one person wins the struggle to be CEO of X-Corp, she banishes her rival to a backwater post as head of the Mars office. Poseidon would also be a possibility for the Incorps with less involvement on Poseidon, but for most of them it would be a 'hot' posting. On a side note, what if someone wanted to go to Poseidon so desperately(but didn't have the money) that they committed a minor crime and got caught? Unlikely, but interesting... -Andy *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:10 PM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Wills [mailto:andywills@stormsurge.org] > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... > Which brings to mind something I hadn't considered, in Blue > Planet at least. Incorporate power plays are pretty > Machiavellian, right? So, for example when one person wins > the struggle to be CEO of X-Corp, she banishes her > rival to a backwater post as head of the Mars office. > Poseidon would also be a possibility for the Incorps > with less involvement on Poseidon, but for > most of them it would be a 'hot' posting. > In certain respects Poseidon would be the place to be. But I'd see it more as a wild, untamed frontier where people can be "disappeared" without too many consequences. So it would be the place people who were out-of-favor might be posted to, but who has some value to the Incorporate or who might make a come-back. I mean with everything going on and Long John to be found, there's the potential to come back and be even more powerful than before her disgrace. Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:19 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... In a message dated Fri, 18 May 2001 3:05:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Andy Wills" writes: << On a side note, what if someone wanted to go to Poseidon so desperately(but didn't have the money) that they committed a minor crime and got caught? Unlikely, but interesting...>> If such a program was widely implemented and well known, it is not a far fetched idea. There are people who commit minor crimes so that they spend the winter months in low security prision. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Gareth Hanrahan [hanrahag@iol.ie] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:16 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - [FWD] > > > It might be cheaper to ship inmates to Poseidon > > > than to imprison them. There are certainly a large > > > number of non-violent crimes with long jail times. > > > If those inmates are shipped to Poseidon, given > > > some colonial training, they can easily start > > their > > > lives over again at a reduced cost to GEO. > > > > I think you're on the right track, but i would guess > that prisoners would be shipped to a cheaper off-earth > locaction. Mars or our moon would be good canidates. > >> > Both the Mars and Moon require life support devices > which would add to the expense. This would mean an > enclosed dome that GEO would then have to man. Also...shipping Earth criminals to the moon is like shipping convicts to a gated community in Beverly Hills or something. (Oh - except the gated community probably doesn't have giant lasers....) > An island on Earth seems like a good choice, but it > would be too easy for an inmate to arrange for an > escape. A remote island on Poseidon doesn't have that > problem. Actually...given the advanced cybernetics and biochemical technology of BP, there could be all sorts of punishments and anti-crime techniques other than imprisonment....personality-death, conditioned adversions to committing crime, little law-enforcement shock chips in criminals' heads that zap them when they steal etc... > Mike Z Gar http://www.mytholder.f2s.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.