From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:58 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Surfing....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Sir Charles To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Surfing....... > Okay, that's pretty sick Gus. I like it a lot ;) An expansion to this > might be interesting; say someone who is so insanely clever as to be slipped > in and out of institutions because they're easily able to 'thwart the > system.' This would definitely be good for some fast talk, language and > psychology on a high level. In real life there is actually a subculture that does exactly this. Particularly in drug and alcohol rehab, get well when the weather outside warms up, deside you need treatment again when winter comes. The system is not all that hard to manipulate, especially since hospitals are often mandated to provide at least some treatment regardless of ability to pay, and there are a lot of rehabs scattered across the country. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:07 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... ----- Original Message ----- From: Heivilin, Jim > And I'd say the players who want to take this one should be from Poseidon. > I mean why would they ship criminals through the wormhole? > > Jim > *************************************************************************** In a word "Australia". Although as Kim Stanley Robinson is fond of pointing out in "Red Mars" Anologies to Earth are often false. This I think is one of theose cases. Better to leave the bad seeds on Earth. The World of Hurt seems to have plenty of badlands areas into which prisoners could be sent for disposal... There have been a number of movies on this theme. Also the cost of shipping them to Posiedon seems high when one considers that those same costs could be used to send someone useful instead of mearly undesirable. For an interesting look at why islands make such good prisons read "Papillon". *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:59 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... In a message dated Wed, 23 May 2001 2:45:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "David R. Crowell" writes: << Also the cost of shipping them to Posiedon seems high when one considers that those same costs could be used to send someone useful instead of mearly undesirable. >> Part of the problem with keeping people on Earth is that it is really easy to arrange for extraction. Commcore is everywhere on Earth and access might be considered a right, so it would be easy for Joe Crook to call up some buddies and arrange for a pickup. On Poseidon, that isn't a problem. Also, many non-violent crimes can still be committed while on Earth through Commcore. Scams, security fraud, and hacking come to mind. With a much lower population and spotty Commcore access, these crimes become much more difficult. And since Joe Crook is on some remote island, it makes it real difficult to spend that money. Also, the 10,000 cs to ship the perp to Poseidon is far cheaper than locking him up for a year. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andy Wills [andywills@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:51 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... > In a message dated Wed, 23 May 2001 2:45:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "David R. Crowell" writes: > > << > Also the cost of shipping them to Posiedon seems high > when one considers that those same costs could be used > to send someone useful instead of mearly undesirable. > >> > > Part of the problem with keeping people on Earth is > that it is really easy to arrange for extraction. > Commcore is everywhere on Earth and access might be > considered a right, so it would be easy for Joe > Crook to call up some buddies and arrange for a pickup. Am I misunderstanding this? As I read it you're saying Commcore will make jailbreaks easier. Modern prisons have phones. Same difference. Yet I don't see lots of people calling up their friends and escaping. Although I suppose they could send porn messages directly to the guards' HUDs to distract them or something. Incidentally, no prison would allow crypto on their systems. > On Poseidon, that isn't a problem. ? - There's still Commcore practically everywhere on Poseidon. > Also, many non-violent crimes can still be committed > while on Earth through Commcore. Scams, security > fraud, and hacking come to mind. With a much lower > population and spotty Commcore access, these crimes > become much more difficult. And since Joe Crook is > on some remote island, it makes it real difficult > to spend that money. Why do you think Joe Crook would have unrestricted access to Commcore? Okay, maybe one or two big mob bosses (as mentioned in the beginning of this thread) would work out a complex system to run their empires that wouldn't be detected by wardens. If detected, it would still be easier to hold them incommunicado than send them to Poseidon. However, maybe it could be a parole condition(esp. for white-collar crime)--get out a few years early in return for never returning to Earth. Thus, they'd arrive on Poseidon and try to cut themselves a portion of the crime pie using their hidden cash reserves, but with the problem of being watched by the police. Or maybe the Earth police would forget to tell the Poseidon ones. I like this idea. I should write up an NPC based on it. Lots of conflict there. These cases would still be very infrequent. > Also, the 10,000 cs to ship the perp to Poseidon is far > cheaper than locking him up for a year. But what about Poseidon makes it so you don't have to lock him up again? I mean, Poseidoners are going to get pretty annoyed if the GEO starts shipping pickpockets to Poseidon and letting them loose in Haven. Now, what I can see is using lower-risk inmates to repair and retake the Free Zones. Cheap, nobody else wants to go there(same as Australia was), send them out with a few guards... > Mike Z -Andy *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:31 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? Both Fiction and Non-fiction, ...since I'm trying to get my focus to be along the lines of some solid Sci-Fi, namely for a Blue Planet session. Any ideas? Robert N. Emerson *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:28 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? It's out of print, but you might want to track down Half the Day is Night, by Maureen McHugh. It was an entertaining read: McHugh's brilliant first novel, China Mountain Zhang (1992), received widespread critical acclaim for its astonishingly realistic portrayal of a future China. In her latest work, McHugh's knack for realism brings to vividly imagined life an underwater city named Caribe. French-speaking war veteran David Dai comes to the domed ocean-bed metropolis as the new bodyguard of banking executive Mayla Ling. As his expectations of utopian orderliness collapse under the weight of his exposure to the city's poverty and bureaucracy, David becomes the unwilling protector of Mayla from terrorists fighting against the wealthy elite. Soon David abandons his job for a spot on a diving team, only to be joined by Mayla in a desperate retreat to the surface. Although McHugh's penchant for psychological detail sometimes becomes tedious--the plot calls for more action--her skill in providing dimension to both her characters and their surroundings remains very strong. Carl Hays _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: ChrisTheS [stormsurge@stormsurge.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:53 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? Well... do technothrillers count? If they do, I'd suggest Patrick Robinson's series ('Nimitz Class,' 'Kilo Class,' and 'HMS Unseen' are the first three, I don't know if there are any more yet). They're an extremely near-future setting (i.e. within the next 3-5 years), and mostly about submarines. They also make good source material for sub-hunting BP adventures (see www.stormsurge.org for an adventure I wrote based on 'HMS Unseen'). -- ChrisTheS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert N. Emerson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:31 PM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? > Both Fiction and Non-fiction, > > ...since I'm trying to get my focus to be along the lines of some solid > Sci-Fi, namely for a Blue Planet session. > > Any ideas? > > Robert N. Emerson > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: John Daly [jdaly_iv@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:25 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? Here's some suggestions: Some might be "out there"... so you're forewarned. 1) Hunt for Red October - still a good read with great sub action. But that's probably an obvious choice 2) Blue Sub No. 6 - Yeah, it's an Anime, but it's got Humans vs Uplifted animals on an earth with an extreme raise in the water table (due to the bad guy turning Antarctica into a rainforest/temperate region). 3) David Brin's Uplift stuff - Heck, it DEFINED uplifting species. 4) William Gibson's Virtual Light - This series by the master of cyberpunk tends to be based around San Francisco and includes the other books All Tomorrow's Parties & Idoru. Great in their use of "old" technology and the role it plays in the lives of those on the edge. 5) Transmetropolitan - Yeah, it's a comic book, but here's the difference: the main character is a columnist named Spider Jerusalem - it's set in an unusual but consistent future - and here's the plus for me: Jerusalem is based on Hunter S Thompson crossed with a speed freak and a rabid dog. This guy writes a column called "I hate it here." 6) Finally, an oldie but a good: The Foundation series. By the master Isaac Azathoth. John Daly --- "Robert N. Emerson" wrote: > Both Fiction and Non-fiction, > > ...since I'm trying to get my focus to be along > the lines of some solid > Sci-Fi, namely for a Blue Planet session. > > Any ideas? > > Robert N. Emerson > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body > of the message. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.