From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:08 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... **** > On Poseidon, that isn't a problem. ? - There's still Commcore practically everywhere on Poseidon. ** As I understand it from the books, this is untrue. Satellite coverage (and therefore CommCore) is still spotty. Here's a bit from page 128 of the v2 player's guide: Satellite communications on Poseidon is often problematic. Severe weather, sat malfunctions and sabotage, jamming signals, and constantly changing security protocols make reliable communications difficult. There are several strictly commercial public sat systems online, but their operation and maintenance is [sic] unregulated and therefore unreliable. They are also very expensive, usually requiring payment authorization in advance. There's similar mention on page 213. -C -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kintaro Oe [kabael@SoftHome.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:38 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? >Here's some suggestions: Some might be "out there"... >so you're forewarned. [snip suggestions] >John Daly You say "anime" and "comic book" almost like they're something bad :) But I have to second most of your suggestions. I always loved reading Brin when I was younger, Transmet is excellent, crazy stuff and Blue Submarine No. 6 is almost worth the price of admission that Bandai stuck on their discs (i.e. rent it first). - kabael - Kintaro Oe - Derek the Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 the McGuffin Group - the End Times - RPG Action - the Thirteenth Legion How much humiliation can four people and a penguin take? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: chalz@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:12 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? "The Reality Dysfunction" by Peter F. Hamilton!! :) It's the first book in a series called the "Night's Dawn Trilogy" -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:46 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? >Hunter S Thompson >crossed with a speed freak and a rabid dog. >John Daly Er isnt that a redundant statement?......Hunter ST could be described as a rabid speed freak who could write. Possibly some sort of adendum about liking fast cars.... Gonzo Journalist would make a could character/npc archetype for BP tho'! Reading:- Contraband by George Foy. Lots of high tech meets low tech in a third world setting....and Joe Marak the lead character is a smuggler who uses speedboats and aircraft......plus lots of stuff about the 'edge', weather systems, ethnic organised crime and psudeo-relegion/techno babble reminisant of the New Rasta's, its not landmark cyberpunk (like some of Bruce Sterling's stuff) but the combination of factors makes it a must read for BP. A good source for prospective 'Hell on Earth' GM's characters flitting between the ever decreasing gaps in the GEO's control of earth. Anything by Bruce Sterling or William Gibson......Nothing that they co-authored..... DomT ------------------------------------------------ Global WebMail - Delivered by Global Internet www.global.net.uk ------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:33 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Any reading suggestions? A few more: Heinlein: Tunnel in the Sky, not very BP related does get across the feeling of being on a strange planet and dealing with the unknowns of the local wildlife. Beware of stobor! Herbert: Dune, the grandfather of eco-SF. Desert planet, but lots of parralels otherwise. And a very good read (at least the first 3, and his last 2) Robinson: Red Mars, colonization and terraforming of Mars, covers a broad range of technology, culture, politics etc. Non-fiction: Guns, Germs and Steel- cultural dominance because of uneven distribution of natural resources and differing environmental pressures. Deep in the Heart of the Sea- An account of the survivors of the whaling ship Essex, which was sunk by a whale. A first rate adventure read, and generally great book. Deep Atlantic- a guide to the fauna of the very deep ocean, there are some very strange creatures down there. To Survive the Savage Sea- another sea survival story, this one modern. Good for getting a sense of what it is like to be lost on the salt water desert. I hope these help. --dave *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andrew Sturman [andrew_b_sturman@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:02 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Reading suggestions and deep diving HI All Thanks for the reading suggestions. Anyone consolidating them into a BP reading list? I'm just finishing Ben Bova's "Jupiter" scientists in hi-pressure submarine exploring Jupiter's ocean, fluro-carbon liquid breathing, pressure traumas, BIG alien sea-creatures, rather like NS's BRTs. And speaking of fluro-carb liquid breathing, is anyone else using them for BP deep-ocean mining? As I mentioned last week, given that Poseidon's oceans are three times as deep as Earth's, seabed long-john mining is going to be below 10km in depth.(unless done on the archipelago's shallow continental shelf) Modern day research subs can go to 4.5 km (excluding the very specialised Trieste) e.g. Alvin with a 2 inch thick titanium sphere hull, while the record for modern hard suits is only 600m. Apart from using a non-compressible fluid breathing system, anyone got suggestions on technologies that would allow the very deep seabed working that Poseidon requires? In my campaign, I've made the hard suits develop into powered exoskeletons, since my understanding of current hard suits are that they can't be made thicker(and hence go deeper) while still being movable by the wearer. (The hardsuits in FluMech seem to support this) As for aquaforms, I can't imagine even a diver being able to go below 1km unprotected, but YMMV. Would their adaptions would made them better suited for liquid breathing? I'd guess a squid wouldn't need expensive fluro-carb, when their gills could handle a hardsuit filled with normal water. Would diver's collapsible lung system be better or worse than our own at breathing fluro-carb? Their 2nd eyelids would mean they wouldn't need contact lenses to correct vision in the liquid(as in The Abyss). Do aquiforms have something to stop nitrogen problems with depth? (I'm trying to decide whether most deep prospectors and miners are aquiform) Comments? Andrew ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:28 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Reading suggestions and deep diving My best guess for true deep sea work would be tele-operation and remote presence. Robots can be made presure resistant much more cheaply than manned craft. Most really deep research today is by unmanned craft. As for nitrogen narcosis, this might be less of a problem for squids as they could outgass through their gills. I like the thought of power-assist exoskeleton hard suits btw. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:49 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Another Career Option... In a message dated Wed, 23 May 2001 7:19:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Andy Wills" writes: << Am I misunderstanding this? As I read it you're saying Commcore will make jailbreaks easier. Modern prisons have phones. Same difference. Yet I don't see lots of people calling up their friends and escaping. Although I suppose they could send porn messages directly to the guards' HUDs to distract them or something. >> Yes, you are misunderstanding this. I am talking about colonies of inmates similar to the early days of Australia. Prisoners are dropped off and left to fend for themselves. No guards, no walls. I figure that in some cases it would be cheaper for GEO to ship a non-violent criminal with a long sentance to Poseidon and place him in a remote colony instead of locking him up in a prison. The goal is for the colony to become self sufficient, thus drastically lowering GEO's costs. They could train, supply, and ship an inmate to such a colony for less than 100,000 cs, which would be the cost of keeping him in a prison for 2 years. Such a colony would also give the inmates a chance to start a new life while paying for their crimes. Now, to cut costs further, people have suggested that such a colony be founded on an island on Earth. There are problems with this approach that are solved by sending a person to Poseidon. Many of the criminals that would qualify for the program would be guilty of "white collar" crimes such as insider trading, hacking, pyramid scams, ect.... In otherwords, access to Earth's Commcore would allow them to continue their activities. Since Commcore is so common, it would be difficult for GEO to withold Commcore access. On Poseidon, Commcore access is very spotty. The support structure is not yet in place and weather conditions make sat links unreliable. The oppertunity to commit crimes over Commcore from a remote region is very limited. Possible, but limited. Also, the inmates support structure (for the crimes) is non-existant and it will take a long time to rebuild on Poseidon. The other problem with an Earth based colony is that it is trivial for someone to arrange a pickup. In the colony is pretty much unguarded and Earth is a well known and well traveled planet, it would be fairly simple for someone to build a raft to travel a short distance to be pickup by a friend in a jumpcraft. On Poseidon, that is not an option. Finding someone willing to travel into the deep wilderness would be difficult. Also, given the remoteness, GEO could easily have sensors stationed around and monitor every craft that comes within 5000 miles of the colony. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jeb Boyt [jeboyt@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:30 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deep diving ----Original Message Follows---- From: Andrew Sturman Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:01:38 +0100 (BST) (I'm trying to decide whether most deep prospectors and miners are aquiform) ================================ My impression is that most of the deep prospectors and miners are newcomers. Consequently, few of them would be aquaforms. YMMV Jeb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:19 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: OT Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deep diving > My impression is that most of the deep prospectors and miners are newcomers. > Consequently, few of them would be aquaforms. YMMV YMMV? What's that mean? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Karl J. Smith [karl@karl.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:11 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: OT Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Deep diving Sir Charles wrote: >>My impression is that most of the deep prospectors and miners are >> >newcomers. > >> Consequently, few of them would be aquaforms. YMMV >> > YMMV? What's that mean? > Your Mileage May Vary, a standard disclaimer on the miles per gallon stickers on cars sold in the US. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.