From: Jerome Darmont [jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:46 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet At 17:54 12/07/01 -0700, Greg Benage wrote: >Okay, no big press release or anything, but I know some on the list >are interested. A deal between Fantasy Flight and Steve Jackson Games >has been inked and approved by Biohazard. SJG plans to publish GURPS >Blue Planet this winter. This will be an adaptation of the BP rules >and will have no bearing, impact, or effect on the regular release of >Blue Planet supplements based on Synergy. I'm not a big fan of GURPS' rules, but that's a good news anyway. Kind of liked GURPS Falkenstein and its upcoming sequel! -------------------------------------------------------- Jérôme DARMONT, ERIC, Université Lumière - Lyon 2 Bat. L, 5 Avenue Mendès-France, 69676 BRON Cedex, FRANCE Tel. +33 478-774-492 mailto:jerome.darmont@univ-lyon2.fr http://eric.univ-lyon2.fr/~jdarmont/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Shane.Mclean@t-online.de Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:39 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet > > For some reason I hope there's no d20 version, > > though. > > If it can attract new players to the game.... Yeah, but you can imagine the conversations at around the gaming table: "Can I play a Jedi? All the classes are balanced now, you know...." "And the Kuo-Toa says......" "I don't care what your last GM said, you can't have a wand of Magic Missiles!" "Since when were Displaccer Beasts native to Posiden?" "And the new CEO of Hannover Enterprises is a man named L. Minster...." Sorry, I couldn't resist...... ;-) Take care, Shane *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: kabael@softhome.net Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:27 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Moo cows > "And the Kuo-Toa says......" That just made me think of a D&D themed child's toy. You know, the one where you pull the string and wherever the arrow lands you get a little speech. "And the cow says... moooooooo." Damn, those were so cool. > Sorry, I couldn't resist...... ;-) ::shakes himself back to the real world:: Uh, yeah, neither could I. You made me do it. Derek Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 Hope springs eternal like a persistent weed *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:32 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) And eyes are not icky!! Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:31 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) >My assumption is that all working molecular biologists are sure that there >has been some communication between Earth and Poseidon, such that there was >only one origin of life. There may even be theories about really lucky >chunks of rock blasted from one to the other through the wormhole. Possibly. >There >will be theories about space aliens, because now that we have found space >aliens, space aliens are a respectable hypothesis. I think these ones still get pooh-poohed ;-) >Given the basic similarity, the higher level similarities don't surprise me >too much. If they're using much the same amino acids as us, then our >generic protein digesters should be able to handle theirs. Ditto for other >molecule types. Biological poisons usually have to evolve, and thus we >wouldn't expect them to poison us accidentally, at least not much. I suppose they'll be using the same amino acids ... but we use the L-form amino acids (rather than the D-form); why should they also? Although, admittedly that's only a 50/50 thing. And, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have surprised me one whit, jot, or tittle if they used a completely new amino acid that happened to look so much like, say lysine, that it poisoned everyone that ate it by competing with the lysine receptors, etc. in our cells. On the other hand, maybe something like this does happen with some of the Poseidon organisms. >Cool scientific plot-line: Yup - that's a cool plot-line alright. Though it's difficult to see a scenario based around it. Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Greg Benage [gbenage@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:02 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Utiel" To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet > It is a very good notice. The Blue Planet supplements will have the stats > for GURPS too? Blue Planet supplements will not have GURPS stats. Really, the supplements have so little rules content, it's not going to make a big difference anyway. Thanks, Greg FFG *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:53 AM To: Blue Planet List (E-mail) Subject: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Upcoming releases? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Hanrahan > To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Upcoming releases? > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:41:28 +0100 > > Greg - any news on when the next BP sourcebooks will be out? > Is Black Crusade > or the 'fin book next? > > Gar > http://www.mytholder.f2s.com/bp > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:07 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet Glad to hear it. But Synergy is such an Attributes, Stats, and Numbers light system, as is GURPS IIRC, that armed with GURPS Blue Planet and a little time, conversions in either direction should not be difficult. --dave ps can't we please have at least one supplement full of new rules that contradict almost everything in the rule book and make characters created with just the Players' Guide totally obsolete? Or better still a monthly magazine that replaces last month's new rules with another set of new rules, until no one knows what the rules are anymore? I remember gaming in the 80's, ah the Golden Age........ Please realize I'm just kidding. ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Benage To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Utiel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GURPS Blue Planet > > > > It is a very good notice. The Blue Planet supplements will have the > stats > > for GURPS too? > > Blue Planet supplements will not have GURPS stats. Really, the > supplements have so little rules content, it's not going to make a big > difference anyway. > > Thanks, > > Greg > FFG > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:36 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - CZ 2001 > Jeb > > PS - In case anyone is wondering, the shores of the Great Lakes are counted > as coasts. I spent 18 years living on the St. Lawrence River, which basically connects the Atlantic with the Great Lakes. The area is very often referred to as 'The Fourth Coast'. It's kind of neat, hanging out at the locks, checking out all of the different flags and types of ships going through. Or sitting on the shore, watching freighters steam by.. Anyways, back to your regularly-scheduled topic.. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David Chart [hist@dchart.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:40 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) --On 13/7/01 16:31 +0000 Christopher Gribbon wrote: >> There >> will be theories about space aliens, because now that we have found >> space aliens, space aliens are a respectable hypothesis. > > I think these ones still get pooh-poohed ;-) > Probably. But I think respectable scientists suggest them in the first place. I don't think it has the same instant wacko factor by 2199. >> Given the basic similarity, the higher level similarities don't surprise >> me too much. If they're using much the same amino acids as us, then our >> generic protein digesters should be able to handle theirs. Ditto for >> other molecule types. Biological poisons usually have to evolve, and >> thus we wouldn't expect them to poison us accidentally, at least not >> much. > > I suppose they'll be using the same amino acids ... but we use the L-form > amino acids (rather than the D-form); why should they also? Although, > admittedly that's only a 50/50 thing. > And, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have surprised me one whit, jot, > or tittle if they used a completely new amino acid that happened to look > so much like, say lysine, that it poisoned everyone that ate it by > competing with the lysine receptors, etc. in our cells. On the other > hand, maybe something like this does happen with some of the Poseidon > organisms. Do we have lysine receptors? I wasn't aware that it was used as a messenger. If it looks *that* much like lysine, does it matter if the tRNA picks it up instead? Although that would be an interesting and subtle slow poison. Make a small change to an amino acid, so that we can still use it to build our proteins. Ensure that the other one is around; Poseidon tRNA can tell the difference. Then have a couple of proteins that only get used in special circumstances nuked if they incorporate that amino acid. Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. David Chart *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: mswells@raex.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:49 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - CZ 2001 Yep... Cleveland area calls itself the 'North Coast' all the time. -Scott > > Jeb > > > > PS - In case anyone is wondering, the shores of the Great Lakes are > counted > > as coasts. > > I spent 18 years living on the St. Lawrence River, which basically connects > the Atlantic with the Great Lakes. The area is very often referred to as > 'The Fourth Coast'. It's kind of neat, hanging out at the locks, checking > out all of the different flags and types of ships going through. Or sitting > on the shore, watching freighters steam by.. > > Anyways, back to your regularly-scheduled topic.. > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Shane.Mclean@t-online.de Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:07 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) > > I suppose they'll be using the same amino acids ... but we use the L-form > > amino acids (rather than the D-form); why should they also? Although, > > admittedly that's only a 50/50 thing. > > And, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have surprised me one whit, jot, > > or tittle if they used a completely new amino acid that happened to look > > so much like, say lysine, that it poisoned everyone that ate it by > > competing with the lysine receptors, etc. in our cells. On the other > > hand, maybe something like this does happen with some of the Poseidon > > organisms. > > Do we have lysine receptors? I wasn't aware that it was used as a > messenger. If it looks *that* much like lysine, does it matter if the tRNA > picks it up instead? Although that would be an interesting and subtle slow > poison. Make a small change to an amino acid, so that we can still use it > to build our proteins. Ensure that the other one is around; Poseidon tRNA > can tell the difference. Then have a couple of proteins that only get used > in special circumstances nuked if they incorporate that amino acid. > > Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to > G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. Anyone else read this and go all goey-eyed? Any chance of a layman's explination? Take care, Shane (who feels left out 'cause he isn't a scientist....) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:04 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) Hmmm, what about prions? That could make for some very interesting long term effects of living on Poseidon. Or perhabs there are two different proteins, one of which inhibits the other, might be posiible to make remaining on Poseidon a bilogical neccessity after exposure, other wise you have a slow acting enzymatic poison in you slowly working away. This sort of thing is really a bit darker than BP really needs to be, but for all you CoC fans out there I got one word for you ..."Crossover"! Especially as CoC lets you play a little bit looser with the biochemistry. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Chart To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) > --On 13/7/01 16:31 +0000 Christopher Gribbon wrote: > > > > > I suppose they'll be using the same amino acids ... but we use the L-form > > amino acids (rather than the D-form); why should they also? Although, > > admittedly that's only a 50/50 thing. > > And, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have surprised me one whit, jot, > > or tittle if they used a completely new amino acid that happened to look > > so much like, say lysine, that it poisoned everyone that ate it by > > competing with the lysine receptors, etc. in our cells. On the other > > hand, maybe something like this does happen with some of the Poseidon > > organisms. > > Do we have lysine receptors? I wasn't aware that it was used as a > messenger. If it looks *that* much like lysine, does it matter if the tRNA > picks it up instead? Although that would be an interesting and subtle slow > poison. Make a small change to an amino acid, so that we can still use it > to build our proteins. Ensure that the other one is around; Poseidon tRNA > can tell the difference. Then have a couple of proteins that only get used > in special circumstances nuked if they incorporate that amino acid. > > Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to > G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. > > David Chart > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:17 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food >Do we have lysine receptors? I wasn't aware that it was used as a >messenger. I don't think lysine is a signal. I actually meant in the intestine; whatever it is that takes Lys up into cells in order to be used anabolically. If that was blocked, we'd end up with lysine deficiency in pretty short order (I *think* I'm right in remembering that Lys is an essential amino acid) >If it looks *that* much like lysine, does it matter if the tRNA >picks it up instead? Although that would be an interesting and subtle slow >poison. I suppose it would depend whether you continued to eat the stuff, and also whether or not it was a competitive or non-competitive inhibitor. >Make a small change to an amino acid, so that we can still use it >to build our proteins. Or, even worse, if it looks like Lys, and gets incorporated into the nascent polypeptide - but acts as a chain terminator (so no further residues can be added). Then you'd end up with a whole lot of (toxic? disruptive?) protein fragments gumming up the works in your cells. I'm sure a whole new syndrome could be coined for just that purpose. >Ensure that the other one is around; Poseidon tRNA >can tell the difference. Then have a couple of proteins that only get used >in special circumstances nuked if they incorporate that amino acid. Nasty for stuff like the immune response, or for pregnancy or fertility. Stuff you don't do *all the time*. Hmmm... >Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to >G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. (there's an agent used called GDP-gamma-S, where the tertiary phosphate is replaced with a sulphate, that does just that) Or looked like ATP, but was instead an irreversable inhibitor of all ATP-dependent actions in your cells. Ouch! Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:26 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) >> Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to >> G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. > >Anyone else read this and go all goey-eyed? > >Any chance of a layman's explination? Oops (especially as my reply email wasn't much better) G-proteins are one of several methods your cells use to propagate a signal from outside the cell (for example, a growth factor binding to the cell-surface receptor) to the cell interior. They use GTP/GDP metabolism (Guanine Tri- or Di-Phosphate) to function, and to act as a timing mechanism. All very cunning, really. Basically, a signal arives at the cell outside, and binds to the receptor on the membrane. This causes the G-protein (associated with the interior part of the receptor) to release the bound (stable) GDP, and to bind a GTP (unstable) instead; the G-protein is therefore "active", and will let go of the receptor, and buzz around the cell, turning all sorts of other things on or off, depending. A short while later, the GTP will decay into a GDP, and the g-protein turns back off and goes back to the reseptor to wait for the next signal to arrive... Of course, it's all a bit more complicated than that, but that's the jist ;-) If the G-proteins were poisoned, then all sorts of signalling events in your body's normal functioning could no longer occurr (for example, vision, or insulin function, or thermoregulation). Nasty! Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Shane.Mclean@t-online.de Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:32 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Food (was Eyes, but eyes are icky food) > >> Now, something that looked like GTP or GDP, but bound more tightly to > >> G-proteins, would kill pretty damn fast. > > > >Anyone else read this and go all goey-eyed? > > > >Any chance of a layman's explination? > > Oops (especially as my reply email wasn't much better) Thanks Chris, that made sense. So I can now agree with you that it's nasty, instead of just taking on faith. ;-) Take care, Shane (who knows big words too, sometimes....) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Cjbeiting@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:40 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: GURPS Blue Planet Well, this is good news! Some questions: -will this be produced through SJG or through FFG as one of the new "Powered by GURPS" line? -has an author been assigned? -will there be a playtest on the Pyramid site? -release date of early 2002? There are lots of possibilities, and I think this could benefit both companies. I'm quite looking forward to it. Chris Beiting CJBeiting@aol.com