From: Poh Tun Kai [pohtk@hitech.com.my] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 1:51 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... Christopher Gribbon said: > Cool. Glad you find it interesting. > I like it. Of course, in my campaign, I assumed that the other island groups > > of Poseidon already had settlements (albeit smaller than Pacifica's) and > that there was semi-regular traffic between them. > See my "Los Isolotes" setting for more information. Would this really be conflicting with my write-up? What parts in each piece would contradict the other? Forgive me for not remembering that much about Los Isolotes...did you write that the other island groups were settled during the Abandonment or after? Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Poh Tun Kai [pohtk@hitech.com.my] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Martial Arts stuff... Ray said: > Do you know if there are any Jewish settlers on Poseidon? In my campaign, there certainly are. > the discipline given by long years of study in the martial arts would have > probably weighed heavily on the selection committee. Yeah, that's true...although not all the martial arts styles studied might be really useful for combat. Still, I like the image of a bunch of (human) tribal elders on Baffin Island getting up at dawn to do Tai Chi exercises... Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Sakal [c_sakal@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 6:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Martial Arts stuff... > Hey Kai; > Do you know if there are any Jewish settlers on > Poseidon? > They might have brought the martial art _Krav Maga_ > with them. > Very deadly and well tested by the Israelis. Works > well at disarming > people with guns. Pentjak Silat styles would be a > heavy possibility > because of the training they give in survival and > staying upright in > muddy/dangerous ground. I would also think that > there was at least a > sifu or sensei or two among the original colonists. > (As you mentioned) > the discipline given by long years of study in the > martial arts would have > probably weighed heavily on the selection committee. There are a million martial arts, and nowadays they all have some ways to disarm someone else armed with a gun, and the bottom line for every single one of these methods in every martial art is that you should NEVER actually do if there's any other option (and surrender is a very valid opption at gunpoint) it because you're going to get shot and killed if the gunman is at all comnpetant. Secondly, I don't really see how the terrain of poseidon would make any given martial art more effective than any other, unless there's one out there that I don't know of that focuses on fighting while completely submerged in water. Remember, all martial arts are disgned to be used against other humans, and generally, if humans are your problem of Poseidon, you have a gun. Any martial arts that survive on Poseidon amongst the original settlers would be strictly for ornament and tradition, not function. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Poh Tun Kai [pohtk@hitech.com.my] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:21 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Martial Arts stuff... Christopher Sakal said: > There are a million martial arts, and nowadays they > all have some ways to disarm someone else armed with a > gun, and the bottom line for every single one of these > methods in every martial art is that you should NEVER > actually do if there's any other option (and surrender > is a very valid opption at gunpoint) it because you're > going to get shot and killed if the gunman is at all > comnpetant. Point taken, and I certainly wouldn't expect to see players trying to use martial arts against gunmen, land lizards, blimps or Greater Whites. Unless someone happens to run a Blue Planet/Feng Shui or Blue Planet/Hong Kong Action Theatre crossover. ;) > Secondly, I don't really see how the terrain of > poseidon would make any given martial art more > effective than any other, unless there's one out there > that I don't know of that focuses on fighting while > completely submerged in water. Remember, all martial > arts are disgned to be used against other humans, and > generally, if humans are your problem of Poseidon, you > have a gun. Any martial arts that survive on Poseidon > amongst the original settlers would be strictly for > ornament and tradition, not function. Martial arts would still serve some functions in BP games. I can name a few... 1. Groups like the NRM or native insurgents might find the teaching of martial arts to be good for building discipline in members. 2. In the tradition of any of a dozen bad prison movies from the 1980s, the cop with the karate/kickboxing/jeet kune do training always has an edge when going undercover in Bose Strand or some other penal colony island. Then, there's always the possibility of an adventure taking place in an underwater facility or space colony where you have to check your guns at the airlock. Martial arts immediately becomes the most useful combat skill. 3. I am getting very fond of the idea of native elders doing Tai Chi or Chi Gong exercises on the beach for health purposes. Just the image alone... :) Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Myles Corcoran [myles@irls3101.ck.cit.alcatel.fr] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 7:37 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - [BLUE PLANET][Spoiler] Native MA meets Native Myths/Religion Poh Tun Kai wrote: > > Christopher Sakal said: > > There are a million martial arts, and nowadays they > > all have some ways to disarm someone else armed with a > > gun, and the bottom line for every single one of these > > methods in every martial art is that you should NEVER > > actually do if there's any other option (and surrender > > is a very valid opption at gunpoint) it because you're > > going to get shot and killed if the gunman is at all > > comnpetant. Kai Poh wrote: > Martial arts would still serve some functions in BP games. I can name a > few... > 3. I am getting very fond of the idea of native elders doing Tai Chi or Chi > Gong exercises on the beach for health purposes. Just the image alone... :) This could tie in nicely with the native myths and legends thread. Imagine a diver-mod native with Chi Gong training and, with a little quasi-mystical handwaving, you get _really_ long submersion times. Breath control training mixed with genetically engineered blood and oxygen-bearing tissues could quite common among the native population. Here's an idea... [Spoiler Space] How about a belief combining the Lesear effect with Tai-Chi/Chi Gong breathing exercises as a means to altered states. Perhaps mix in a bit of Aborigine pheromones in the water as a nod to Greg Egan's "Oceanic" and you have the makings of a religion right there. Myles -- Myles Corcoran - Alcatel Ireland Ltd., Bandon, Cork, Ireland 023 20469 (w) - 023 20481 (fax) - 021 503904(h) myles.corcoran@ck.cit.alcatel.fr - mylesc2@eircom.net *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:36 AM To: 'list, blue planet' Subject: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... -----Original Message----- From: "wlfrun" To: Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:08:01 -0400 >Hey Kai; > I've just got to say one thing. *Damn*. That small piece was awesome. > His work always is! Please keep up the good work. Rob P.S. Will there be any more done on the SKIK story? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:14 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... >> I like it. Of course, in my campaign, I assumed that the other island groups >> of Poseidon already had settlements (albeit smaller than Pacifica's) and >> that there was semi-regular traffic between them. >> See my "Los Isolotes" setting for more information. > >Would this really be conflicting with my write-up? What parts in each piece >would contradict the other? Forgive me for not remembering that much about >Los Isolotes...did you write that the other island groups were settled >during the Abandonment or after? The basic idea was : ************************************************************************ The Blue Bay was the initial native village built in Los Isolotes when the natives first arrived, in 49SP. There were only 68 of them who arrived, but this was a fairly even mix of male/female and squid/diver. This original colonisation effort was one of the many initiated by the natives of the Pacifica Archipelago in the years following the Abandonment. Realising that one major natural disaster would be all it would take to destroy all human life on Poseidon while they remained in such a concentration, the natives encouraged as many attempted "seedings" of other island groups as they could. The colonists who landed on Falkland had originally hoped to reach Endeavour Islands by following the Challenger Flow; but unfortunately, the year they chose to depart was marked by an unusual climactic fluctuation, and the Challenger Flow was much slower than normal. As fishing in the open ocean is risky to say the least (many larger predators consider humans, or cetaceans, a tasty mouthful), the travelling group had packed a large supply of preserved food, but the elongated journey time meant that they ran out before reaching the half-way point marked by Los Isolotes. Lacking any alternative course, and having already lost several members to attacks from predators, they settled down on these isolated islands. Despite the accidental nature of the original colonisation, the natives were perfectly happy to stay on Los Isolotes. The islands were outwith the Storm Belt, they were fertile, and the Sargasso Bay was a rich source of kelp and nutritious fish. The natives of Los Isolotes were one of the last to be actually "discovered" in the recontact period. In fact, it wasn't until 6 months after Stanley was in existence that the new settlers noticed the natives' existence. This, plus their relative isolation has made them the object of great interest by Anthropologists: the HIST field team in Los Isolotes has 3 such academics sent here to study the native culture of the area. ************************************************************************ So - I hadn't gone into whether the colonisation of the other island groups was *successful* or not, in my continuity. Plus - regular traffic between the island groups would certainly not have happened until after recontact. Also - my Los Isolotes setting is hardly canon (especially with the "no other island groups" thing) although Jeff did say he'd put it into a forthcoming Undercurrents, along with actual maps (which were missing from the original postings, obviously). I guess that's been belayed by the whole BPII confuddle and whatnot. If you're really interested - I could fwd the stuff to you as attachments. Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Poh Tun Kai [pohtk@hitech.com.my] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:14 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... > P.S. Will there be any more done on the SKIK story? That's SDIK, and I've suspended that indefinitely for the time being, owing to a tough schedule at work. However, just the other day I got some more BP ideas related to my old story material. If the ideas pan out, I may be able to finally finish a short story involving a couple of characters from SDIK. I actually started it long before SDIK but got stuck on a plot point somewheres. I haven't abandoned BP fan writing by any means, but I just haven't had much free time for it in the last 12 months... Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Poh Tun Kai [pohtk@hitech.com.my] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:31 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - More Native Mythology stuff... Christopher Gribbon said: > So - I hadn't gone into whether the colonisation of the other island > groups was *successful* or not, in my continuity. > Plus - regular traffic between the island groups would certainly not have > happened until after recontact. Hmmm, it's possible that Raj's expedition just never encountered any of the other colonial settlements - the Darwin Archipelago is a _big_ place, after all. The Pacifica Archipelago hosts 90% or more of the planet's human population, and it still has a host of undiscovered secrets. Now apply that to the Darwin Archipelago... Which could make a good candidate for a sourcebook. Toss in the few handfuls of colonist villages from pre-Abandonment, add a few new settlements established post-Recontact, mix in plenty of ecological mysteries and geological oddities, throw in the archaeological secrets of failed colony attempts by first generation natives and Raj's expedition members, and add a pinch of Aborigine intrigue. Stir well. "Archipelago II", anyone? > If you're really interested - I could fwd the stuff to you as attachments. I can dig them up on the ML archives if you can give me a date range to search in. Or even better, you could get someone to host it on a site. Try asking Dave Klegman...he's hosted for me and Malcolm Craig for ages... Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.