From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:17 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - native lifestyles >Reading some more of v2 books, I started thinking about the statement that >the natives took on a Polynesian lifestyle when their equipment started to >fail. I can see this working for the Pacifica Archipelago, but would >there be colonists who adopt a different lifestyle to >better fit their local in a different island chain? I was >thinking about colonists who may have traveled to the Southern Hope Chain >and decided that a more norse lifestyle would be more appropriate given >the closeness to the southern pole and it's colder climate. Right now >it's just an idea I'm tossing around for a campaign I'm thinking of >running there. Would put an interesting twist on the natives. Any >thoughts on what these style natives would be like, or other lifestyles >that could be adopted? I can't recall how close to the pole the Southern Hope chain is offhand - so this is as much guesswork as it is informed suggestion: I suppose that they may have adopted an Inuit / Aleutian style rathern than Norse (easier to "convert" to from polynesian)? Or perhaps a sort of blend of the two styles? The Norse had a lot of warlike tendancies, after all (OK - this is a stereotype, but hey! So what?) - and on Poseidon, who would be around to make war on? There's hardly enough other natives, really. Also - for (slightly) alternative native lifestyle and climate stuff - see my Los Isolotes setting from the list last year. The Los Isolotes islands are a tiny group just outside the southern edge of the Storm Belt; their climate is heavily influenced by the Challenger Flow, a cold current from the south which keep their weather colder than might otherwise be expected (kind of the opposite of the Gulf Stream). 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From: Chad Chirhart [seahawk@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:44 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - native lifestyles Thanks for the info, this sounds like it might be what I had in mind Chad Chirhart seahawk@visi.com On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Malcolm Craig wrote: > Depending on the conditions (ie how far north they are), settlers may adopt > a lifestyle similar to the crofting communities on the islands around > Scotland (the Hebrides, the Shetlands and the Orkneys spring to mind). > Theses communities were primarily based around fishing and may provide a > good source of inspiration for isolated native communities. In particular, > the island of St Kilda was home to a very isolated community until the > islanders were removed. I'm a bit sketchy on the details because it's been > many years since I last read my books which mention the subject. I'll have a > look through my library and find some books that may be appropriate as > points of reference. The kind of isolated existance (even until the early > decades of the 20th Century) that the St Kildans had to endure could be > taken as a model for natives living in such conditions. They primarily > subsisted on a diet of fish and birds(caught by climbing the massive cliffs > surrounding the island. The birds were fulmars, I think, although I'll need > to check that out. > > Hope this is some use. > > Cheers > Malcolm > > >From: Chad Chirhart > >Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com > >To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com > >Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - native lifestyles > >Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:11:02 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >Reading some more of v2 books, I started thinking about the statement that > >the natives took on a Polynesian lifestyle when their equipment started to > >fail. I can see this working for the Pacifica Archipelago, but would > >there be colonists who adopt a different lifestyle to > >better fit their local in a different island chain? I was > >thinking about colonists who may have traveled to the Southern Hope Chain > >and decided that a more norse lifestyle would be more appropriate given > >the closeness to the southern pole and it's colder climate. Right now > >it's just an idea I'm tossing around for a campaign I'm thinking of > >running there. Would put an interesting twist on the natives. Any > >thoughts on what these style natives would be like, or other lifestyles > >that could be adopted? > > > > > > > >Chad Chirhart > >seahawk@visi.com > > > >*************************************************************************** > >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:23 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - native lifestyles >Depending on the conditions (ie how far north they are), settlers may adopt >a lifestyle similar to the crofting communities on the islands around >Scotland (the Hebrides, the Shetlands and the Orkneys spring to mind). >Theses communities were primarily based around fishing and may provide a >good source of inspiration for isolated native communities. In particular, >the island of St Kilda was home to a very isolated community until the >islanders were removed. I'm a bit sketchy on the details because it's been >many years since I last read my books which mention the subject. I'll have a >look through my library and find some books that may be appropriate as >points of reference. The kind of isolated existance (even until the early >decades of the 20th Century) that the St Kildans had to endure could be >taken as a model for natives living in such conditions. They primarily >subsisted on a diet of fish and birds(caught by climbing the massive cliffs >surrounding the island. The birds were fulmars, I think, although I'll need >to check that out. The St. Kildans had also evolved prehensile toes for climbin g on the cliffs, believe it or not. And they were *not* good seafarers (they never made it off-island), though the complete lack of ship-building resources (wood, for example) may have had something to do with that. Sometime in the 1700s (I think), a woman there killed her husband because she believed he was having an affair. In fact, all that he had done was to trade for a mirror from a passing ship, and keep it under his pillow. She saw the mirror, and her reflection and - not knowing what it was - thought it was another woman! When the island became of strategic importance (in WWII), they all *begged* to be airlifted off because they hated the place so much after hearing about the mainland from the military there. Interesting place... Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Cjbeiting@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:45 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Under Pressure I'm struck by the notes in the current version of Blue Planet as to the the issue of "the bends". While the rules note that it's not much of an issue with artificial gills and for aquaforms, the equipment listings for gill packs still indicate that people using them are still subject to decompression limits. I'd like to retain the problem of "the bends" in my games. Given the number of people on this list, I have to assume that some are scuba fans. Can anyone tell me where to find a reliable set of dive tables, listed in meters? Is there perhaps a URL for an on-line version? CJ Beiting *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Cjbeiting@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:52 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Re: art Please allow me to second some of the reservations about the art of the second edition. Not that it's bad, of course (it's very good), but there are a couple of things that I miss from the earlier edition (well, flipping through the earlier edition in the store--I was waiting for the second edition to come out before I bought it). Things like: -the covers. I loved the covers for the old editions! The original Blue Planet was haunting and oddly captivating, and Archipelago was beautiful with the futuristic stuff mated to the tropical picture. From a gamer point of view, I can see that the new covers are more exciting and scream ADVENTURE GAME, though. Here's hope they help with the sales! -the tech. I, too, liked some of the hard-edged tech designs present in the first edition, and was missing them in the second. Could I ask for a favor/compromise from the good folks at Biohazard? I know that a number of the images from the original rules are available on the Blue Planet homepage, including the covers from the first editions (which I'm going to print out as soon as I get my color printer, any day now). Is there any chance some of the tech designs could be added to the page. I know I'd love to see them, and print out to show the players ("A dataspike looks like _this_") CJ Beiting@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Kevin L. Nault [jskln1@uas.alaska.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Con costs (was BP v2 pricing) Atti2dboy@aol.com wrote: > > A sad fact. Cons on the West Coast only get a strong presence from West > Coast companies. Even that is not entirely true as Wizards of the Coast > are conspicuous in their absence. I live in Alaska. This is functionally equivalent to the moon. For instance, there's a coupla local things, for the 80,000 people or so who live in the state's second largest city (you get the idea). And escape is, of course, impossible. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: wernerj@swbell.net on behalf of Jason Werner [wernerj@swbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 4:49 PM To: 'blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Under Pressure Hey, CJ. I know that there are some good diving reference materials at the web sites for both of the major diving organizations, www.padi.com and www.naui.org. Thanks, Jason Werner -----Original Message----- From: Cjbeiting@aol.com [SMTP:Cjbeiting@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 12:45 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Under Pressure I'm struck by the notes in the current version of Blue Planet as to the the issue of "the bends". While the rules note that it's not much of an issue with artificial gills and for aquaforms, the equipment listings for gill packs still indicate that people using them are still subject to decompression limits. I'd like to retain the problem of "the bends" in my games. Given the number of people on this list, I have to assume that some are scuba fans. Can anyone tell me where to find a reliable set of dive tables, listed in meters? Is there perhaps a URL for an on-line version? CJ Beiting *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - review on RPG.net Hi, For those that are interested. The review that I wrote about BPV2 PG is now up on RPG.net (www.rpg.net) Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.