From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:37 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Sheesh.......... Technogeeks! Print a hardcopy and carry it around with you. It's not like it's the sort of document one will be referencing constantly any way. Remember paper? I guess the ludites on the list have to simplify things again. Why down load to every machine when one download and a printer lets you take it anywhere. Even underwater if properly laminated., ----- Original Message ----- From: Sir Charles To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > > Eeek! PDF? Pretty Damn Fat?? *waves his hand in the air* > > > 56kbps, > > > tops!! Give me ASCII, or give me death! :P > > > > > > gotta say, I would rather have a PDF than anything else. And I also use > > a 56k dial-up connection, but this thing should only be a few pages. > Still, I work in what you could call an 'unnetworked environment'... I > often move between 2 to 5 machines in any given day, and not for my > occupation but in my free time. I do not relish having to download a PDF > every time. Besides that, my primary computer doesn't even have a proper > PDF viewer - just xpdf, and it Hoovers... :/ I frequently store material in > the shell account for my website and access it on demand; that and I can > grep txt files - can't grep a PDF. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:48 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > Eeek! PDF? Pretty Damn Fat?? *waves his hand in the air* > > 56kbps, > > tops!! Give me ASCII, or give me death! :P > > > gotta say, I would rather have a PDF than anything else. And I also use > a 56k dial-up connection, but this thing should only be a few pages. Still, I work in what you could call an 'unnetworked environment'... I often move between 2 to 5 machines in any given day, and not for my occupation but in my free time. I do not relish having to download a PDF every time. Besides that, my primary computer doesn't even have a proper PDF viewer - just xpdf, and it Hoovers... :/ I frequently store material in the shell account for my website and access it on demand; that and I can grep txt files - can't grep a PDF. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jerome Darmont [jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:34 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List At 10:18 25/09/01 -0700, Rusty.Neal@bull.com wrote: >Has anyone done a comprehensive equipment list? I have... But it's a French translation! :) -- Jérôme Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planete *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:59 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Heh> Pipe it through babelfish........not that i think it would do a good job of translation but it might be worth a chuckle or two! In reply-to blue_planet@lists.ient.com on Wed Sep 26 10:50:19 2001 >At 10:18 25/09/01 -0700, Rusty.Neal@bull.com wrote: >>Has anyone done a comprehensive equipment list? > > I have... But it's a French translation! :) > > >-- J=E9r=F4me Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planet= >e > >*************************************************************************= >** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > ------------------------------------------------ Global WebMail - Delivered by Global Internet www.global.net.uk ------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Manos, Christopher P [CManos@crt.xerox.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:20 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Oh I want to see the translation through babelfish :) -----Original Message----- From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk [mailto:thazar@globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 5:59 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Heh> Pipe it through babelfish........not that i think it would do a good job of translation but it might be worth a chuckle or two! In reply-to blue_planet@lists.ient.com on Wed Sep 26 10:50:19 2001 >At 10:18 25/09/01 -0700, Rusty.Neal@bull.com wrote: >>Has anyone done a comprehensive equipment list? > > I have... But it's a French translation! :) > > >-- J=E9r=F4me Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planet= >e > >*************************************************************************= >** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > ------------------------------------------------ Global WebMail - Delivered by Global Internet www.global.net.uk ------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: William Timmins [wtimmins@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:25 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List I suggest either tab delimited, as has previously been mentioned (dead easy to suck into Excel, or to do a 'search and replace' in a word processing program to tidy it up as you like), or as an HTML document. Maybe even with hyperlinked info. Nice thing about HTML is that you can download it and keep it with you (handy for gaming with a laptop or even a handheld...), or print it out from screen, or save as text and print _that_ out, as you like it. Ooo! I just thought of how cool it'd be gaming with a blackberry. ;) (surfing on a handheld while you game? Awesome) -=Will _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jerome Darmont [jdarmont@dionysos.univ-lyon2.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:36 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List At 10:58 26/09/01 +0100, thazar@globalnet.co.uk wrote: >Heh> Pipe it through babelfish........not that i think it would do a good >job of translation but it might be worth a chuckle or two! It's too big. :) If you want to see what it looks like, you can download it from the Bleue Planète site. -- Jérôme Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planete *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:12 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List I use 'my' Psion Revo as a GM Tool lots.......much easier to use than my laptop...which eats to much table space. Of course one day I have to give it back after I've finished evaluating it....hopefully I can get somebody to give me a Jornada 800 series then!!! In reply-to blue_planet@lists.ient.com on Wed Sep 26 14:03:53 2001 >I suggest either tab delimited, as has previously been mentioned (dead easy >to suck into Excel, or to do a 'search and replace' in a word processing >program to tidy it up as you like), or as an HTML document. Maybe even with >hyperlinked info. > >Nice thing about HTML is that you can download it and keep it with you >(handy for gaming with a laptop or even a handheld...), or print it out from >screen, or save as text and print _that_ out, as you like it. > >Ooo! I just thought of how cool it'd be gaming with a blackberry. ;) >(surfing on a handheld while you game? Awesome) > >-=Will > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > ------------------------------------------------ Global WebMail - Delivered by Global Internet www.global.net.uk ------------------------------------------------ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:11 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > -----Original Message----- > From: David R. Crowell [mailto:gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > Sheesh.......... > > Technogeeks! > ;-P > Print a hardcopy and carry it around with you. It's not > like it's the sort of document one will be referencing > constantly any way. > Remember paper? > Paper??? Isn't that what happens when trees die? > > grep txt files - can't grep a PDF. > > But can you grok it? Jim Jim Heivilin, System Administrator, Open Systems, IAT Services, University of Missouri at Columbia mailto:banzai@missouri.edu, 884-3898 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:16 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Babelfish (was: Equipment List) > -----Original Message----- > From: thazar@globalnet.co.uk [mailto:thazar@globalnet.co.uk] > Subject: RE: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > Heh> Pipe it through babelfish........not that i think it > would do a good job of translation but it might be worth a > chuckle or two! > A friend of mine wrote a script to parse the Star Wars Galaxies (the upcoming MMORPG from the EverQuest people) boards to extract what the designers posted. A German website asked him permission to get it and modify it and they put his acknowledgement up. The translation through babelfish was pretty funny. Vielen Dank an Erik Jorgensen der uns dieses Script zur Verfügung gestellt hat. == Thank you at Erik Jorgensen to us this Script at the disposal put. http://jorgie.org/swg/trackdev.cgi http://swg.gamesurf.de/cgi-bin/devtracker/trackdev.cgi Of course it makes sense in German! Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rusty.Neal@Bull.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Ok, so looks like I will make an Excel version, a tab delimited version, ascii text version, and possibly PDF. You guys don't want much do ya? The first version I will send to Greg and Jeff for an OK on what we are doing here. And yes there will be book refs and page numbers. So far I plan to pull the stuff from the Player's Guide and Fluid Mechanics. So far as I can tell, there is no equipment mentioned in the Moderator's Guide, First Colony, or Natural Selection. I don't have Frontier Justice, does it have any equipment listed? I haven't planned on putting in a section with the Biomods and Cybertech stuff, but I will if most people think it should go there. Rusty *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Paul Lesack [lesack@interchange.ubc.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:04 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Heivilin, Jim wrote: > ;-P > > > Print a hardcopy and carry it around with you. It's not > > like it's the sort of document one will be referencing > > constantly any way. > > Remember paper? > > > Paper??? > Isn't that what happens when trees die? > It's not like a computer is made of fine renewable resources. . . And you can use recycled paper. Paul *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:00 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List No, A loud crash, some splintering of branches, and guys in flannel is what happens when a tree dies - once it's disected, pulped, and chemicals added is when you get paper. :) Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heivilin, Jim" To: Sent: Wednesday, 26 September, 2001 08:11 AM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David R. Crowell [mailto:gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] > > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > > > Sheesh.......... > > > > Technogeeks! > > > ;-P > > > Print a hardcopy and carry it around with you. It's not > > like it's the sort of document one will be referencing > > constantly any way. > > Remember paper? > > > Paper??? > Isn't that what happens when trees die? > > > > > grep txt files - can't grep a PDF. > > > > But can you grok it? > > Jim > > Jim Heivilin, System Administrator, > Open Systems, IAT Services, > University of Missouri at Columbia > mailto:banzai@missouri.edu, 884-3898 > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:06 AM To: Blue Planet List (E-mail) Subject: [FWD] Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > -----Original Message----- > From: Gareth Hanrahan > To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:02:01 +0100 > > On Wednesday 26 September 2001 15:56, you wrote: > > Ok, so looks like I will make an Excel version, a tab > delimited version, > > ascii text > > version, and possibly PDF. You guys don't want much do ya? > > XML? > > > The first version I will send to Greg and Jeff for an OK on > what we are > > doing here. > > > > And yes there will be book refs and page numbers. So far I > plan to pull the > > stuff > > from the Player's Guide and Fluid Mechanics. > > > > So far as I can tell, there is no equipment mentioned in > the Moderator's > > Guide, > > First Colony, or Natural Selection. I don't have Frontier > Justice, does it > > have any > > equipment listed? > > There are a few bits...crime-scene drones and forensics equipment. > > > I haven't planned on putting in a section with the > > Biomods and > > Cybertech stuff, but I will if most people think it should go there. > > Biomod/cyber stuff absolutely vital. > > > Rusty > Gar > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: C.K. Lee [ckl@ccilearning.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:37 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List I guess the good thing is you can do it all in Excel and let it save or export into all the formats you've mentioned... I think the options you've listed to go with it is a good start. CK -----Original Message----- Ok, so looks like I will make an Excel version, a tab delimited version, ascii text version, and possibly PDF. You guys don't want much do ya? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rusty.Neal@Bull.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:01 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List One thing I found interesting is that there are no prices listed for scuba gear or air tanks :-) Rusty *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:33 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > Sheesh.......... > > Technogeeks! Damn straight! > Remember paper? Isn't that a medical test women have to endure every 6mos or something? Oh, no, wait... > I guess the ludites on the list have to simplify things again. Why down > load to every machine when one download and a printer lets you take it > anywhere. Even underwater if properly laminated., Yeahbut, not all of us /have/ a printer :P Or at least one that works. Or *ahem* the drivers for it for their particular operating system. Besides, all these people want PDF and I'm advocating text - how much more retro can you get with a computer? Okay, okay, technically I could post a document in the style 000101110011101101000010010...... But even fewer people still will understand it ;) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sir Charles > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:48 AM > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > > > > > Eeek! PDF? Pretty Damn Fat?? *waves his hand in the air* > > > > 56kbps, > > > > tops!! Give me ASCII, or give me death! :P > > > > > > > > > gotta say, I would rather have a PDF than anything else. And I also use > > > a 56k dial-up connection, but this thing should only be a few pages. > > Still, I work in what you could call an 'unnetworked environment'... I > > often move between 2 to 5 machines in any given day, and not for my > > occupation but in my free time. I do not relish having to download a PDF > > every time. Besides that, my primary computer doesn't even have a proper > > PDF viewer - just xpdf, and it Hoovers... :/ I frequently store material > in > > the shell account for my website and access it on demand; that and I can > > grep txt files - can't grep a PDF. > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:35 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > At 10:18 25/09/01 -0700, Rusty.Neal@bull.com wrote: > >Has anyone done a comprehensive equipment list? > > I have... But it's a French translation! :) Francais est facile! Je comprende un peu de francais. There are also web-based translaters, like InterTran... I never use Altavista's babelfish anymore... it sucks. InterTran is SO much better, in a dozen ways. http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran > > > -- Jérôme Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planete > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List going OT.. > I suggest either tab delimited, as has previously been mentioned (dead easy > to suck into Excel, or to do a 'search and replace' in a word processing > program to tidy it up as you like), or as an HTML document. Maybe even with > hyperlinked info. Here here, bro. If you've got NoteTab Pro for Windows, that does all sorts of delimitationizing ;) Fixed, real and smart tabs - it rocks. > Nice thing about HTML is that you can download it and keep it with you > (handy for gaming with a laptop or even a handheld...), or print it out from > screen, or save as text and print _that_ out, as you like it. > > Ooo! I just thought of how cool it'd be gaming with a blackberry. ;) > (surfing on a handheld while you game? Awesome) Waza blackberry? Ever since handhelds started sporting IR ports, I'd been pondering IR multiplayer games for handhelds - would be kicking. Next logical step would be if everyone at the table has a handheld - a sort of 'networked' environment so you don't even need dice and books anymore *cackles* Could be real trippy. Not that everyone /has/ one. Hell, I don't even. Well, sort of - the one I have is more of a scheduler/calendar/calculator/note/address book dealy - an old IT with 256KB. In any event... > > -=Will > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 12:45 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > Paper??? > > Isn't that what happens when trees die? > > > It's not like a computer is made of fine renewable resources. . . > And you can use recycled paper. And computers tend to last longer. Plus, very few of us actually throw any of our silicon out. Silicon is immortal, after all. COBOL proved as much ;) > > Paul > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rusty.Neal@Bull.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:06 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > To avoid certain amounts of intel. prop. conflict, >just the name of the item, cost, and book&page ref >would be all that's really necessary - that,and it'd >be shorter than including any descriptions. The version I'm making now looks something like this- cost(cs) avail size,volume,power Electronic Components pg126 manual interface 25-1000 vc <250kg, 1 liter, standard cell pg126 trodes 1200 c 100kg, 0.35 liters, mini cell Computers pg126 body computer 200-2500 vc 90g, 0.12 liters, mini cell pg127 dataspike 5 vc 9g, 0.05 liters pg127 main computer 6500-15000 c 10kg, 7 liters, heavy cell or external power No descriptions will be included (that is what the book is for). Of course the mail programs will rip the format of this message to shreds, but at least you can see what info I'm putting into the list. 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From: Lise et Marco [cantin.gendreau@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:34 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List 1- I can translate it over the WE 2- Can we stop talking and do something.....something will be better than nothing ;o) Marco Jerome Darmont a écrit : > At 10:58 26/09/01 +0100, thazar@globalnet.co.uk wrote: > >Heh> Pipe it through babelfish........not that i think it would do a good > >job of translation but it might be worth a chuckle or two! > > It's too big. :) If you want to see what it looks like, you can download > it from the Bleue Planète site. > > -- Jérôme Darmont, mailto:darmont@free.fr, http://fly.to/bleue.planete > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:47 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > > Damn straight! > > Yes...but technogeeks generally don't complain and just find a way to convert the thing to a format they like. Convert PDF to anything other than a screenshot without paying Adobe... > > Yeahbut, not all of us /have/ a printer :P Or at least one that >works. > > Then buy one. Even if it's a used $20 dot-matrix printer. I daresay that printers are a necessity if you're doing anything computer related. Umm... yeah, that's $20 more than I *have* to spend on a printer. And no they aren't - who prints out their sourcecode??? > >Or *ahem* the drivers for it for their particular operating system. > > Then write a driver for it, if you're a real techno-geek. Or send an email to the people who make or support the printer or your operating system and get them to write one. Or get a printer that has drivers for it (see above- most old dot-matrix printers like Epsons and Panasonics have passable quality for text and every OS under the sun supports them). There's a difference between a 'technogeek' and a driver writer. Show me all of the Perl programmers who can manipulate the file system at the base level. And, uh, FYI, no, *not* "every OS under the sun" has support for them. > >Besides, all these people want PDF and I'm advocating text - how much more > >retro can you get with a computer? > > Text is a royal pain in the arse to get to format any sort of table or list. Even with tabs No it's not. That's what scripts are for. Very basic scripts can take your data that you've typed in, if you put any sort of markers in there like semi-colons to mark one column for another, and it can format based upon longest element. That's too easy. **** and such, it will not display correctly in every case (or even most cases, given differences in viewers and screen sizes). PDF circumvents that, and is close enough to universal- MacOS, Linux, heck, even an antique 486 running Windows 3.11 can handle that format. ** Not the newer PDF's. Newer PDF documents won't be readable by older viewers. Look at xpdf for X - even it doesn't display PDF's properly unless they're 100% text. Tables and graphics throw it for a loop half the time. > -Necromancer Bob, still uses Eudora Light 2.0 for most of his email... --Charles, who still uses pine for half his email. > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List In a message dated Wed, 26 Sep 2001 1:50:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Sir Charles" writes: > If I recall, Mike's character generator has biomods > and implants included as well. > Hey Mike, where is it? I kinda liked it when I > was testing it. It is sitting on my laptop. It is 99% done; however, it is not meeting my standards and there are a few things that I want to iron out before I release it. Unfortunately, my work schedule has caught up with me and I have had very little free time since Gencon. The end of the fiscal year is extremely busy as all the projects, whose funding ends this Friday, have to be finished. I am also 2 weeks behind on a 6 week project that I haven't even had a chance to start on. Right now I am aiming for a release by the end of the year. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rusty.Neal@Bull.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 6:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List I have finished typing in the equipment from the Player's Guide (except for the bio/cyber mods, which I'm not convinced belong in this equipment list, and the weapons, which have a fine list of their own in the back of Fluid Mechanics). I'm still debating adding the bio/cyber mods and the weapons. Tomorrow I will add the info from Fluid Mechanics... Rusty *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Troy Gustavel [troy_nevermore@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:56 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List --- Rusty.Neal@bull.com wrote: > I haven't planned on putting in a section with the Biomods and > Cybertech stuff, but I will if most people think it should go there. If it can be purchased, it should be on the list ===== Troy Gustavel 5825 Bolender Rd. Akron, OH 44319 (330)882 5468 Troy_Nevermore@Yahoo.com "Once upon a midnight dreary..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:21 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > > Convert PDF to anything other than a screenshot without paying Adobe... > > Pay them, then. It's what makes the world go around. I don't have $20 for a dot matrix printer - where am I going to get the money Adobe wants for products I would use, what, twice? > > Umm... yeah, that's $20 more than I *have* to spend on a printer. And no > >they aren't - who prints out their sourcecode??? > > Source code, perhaps not. But pretty much everything else. You seem to be > looking for something to complain about. No, I'm not. I'm merely stating to you that not everyone, even not everyone on this list, can handle all of these things of which you speak. You sound like a MS salesman. What I'm trying to do is point out that not everyone has the newest, fastest, biggest, bestest out there. It's like people who write JavaScript which checks only for NS4 or IE4, and never bothers to check for Opera, which can handle, with greater ease than NS or IE, the very same material. > > There's a difference between a 'technogeek' and a driver writer. Show me > >all of the Perl programmers who can manipulate the file system at the base > >level. And, uh, FYI, no, *not* "every OS under the sun" has support for > >them. > > Yes. Think about it. No, I *have* thought about it. There are experimental OS's which *don't* have even rudimentary printer support. There are plenty of operating systems for which the hardware manufacturers won't write drivers, because it's not a large enough user base. That relies heavily upon the users themselves writing drivers, which usually takes a while and tends to be buggy. In my house alone are 4 different computers, running 6 different operating systems and platforms, none of the computers being any newer than 2yrs old, the oldest being almost 10 years old. Of those 6 OS's, 1 of them doesn't even /have/ LPT access written in, another machine doesn't have a parallel port, another is on a partition so small there isn't room for pretty little add-ons like drivers for extraneous hardware... Only one is dedicated to Windows, and the printer that's hooked up to it is gummed up. There are actually people in the world who use computers for things other than gaming consoles or word processors. Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of an IOpener? It's been around about 3yrs or so now, and lacks a printer port completely. Doesn't even have ANY printer control software built in by default. Think about it. > > Not the newer PDF's. Newer PDF documents won't be readable by older > >viewers. Look at xpdf for X - even it doesn't display PDF's properly unless > >they're 100% text. Tables and graphics throw it for a loop half the time. > > And your point is? It doesn't have to be saved in the newest format- just a > format that makes it legible and acceptable to the majority of readers. ... Except that many times, the newest editor will save in the newest format, with keys that the older viewers can't recognize. I've noticed this just between Acrobat Reader 2 and 3. Hell, even codes that aren't needed to make a plain text document will be included in the headers. MS Word 2000 does this, even. So do not tell me "it doesn't have to be saved in the newest format", because most of your larger-volume editors default to the newest settings, and some aren't even backwards compatible at all. So, is there ANY chance we can get back on topic here? The basic point is: Not everyone on this list can view spreadsheets or PDFs or can print, just like some of us can't play CDs in our cars or have seatwarmers. A plain text document with spaces in between columns would be SO insanely easy compared to some of the other options which've been discussed, it's almost ridiculous it's not used more often. Hell, you want an incredibly powerful and useful text editor for Windows with more features you can shake a stick at which could make a nice tabled document EASILY, always saves in plain text without stupid header crap or special binary formatting, and is free? Check out NoteTab. Yes, FREE. http://www.notetab.com/ ... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.