From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:16 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Like Troy said, please include biomods and cyberwear. As for lack of printers or even computers. I got on for a while, and know many people who still do, exclusively through public access machines. Public libraries and university libraries often have computers available for use free. Many of those at universities can even be used to print on for free. Kinko's or other ofice type shops as well as many copy shops will print files from disk for you. Some will even go to a website and download the file first. There is know obstacle that cannot be overcome by the application of a bit of Yankee ingenuity, and the Mark I Grey Matter Neural Network Wetware Information and Data Storage, Retrieval, Manipulation, and Processing Device. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:46 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT For the record, Adobe has a /FREE/ PDF veiwer called Acrobat Reader and it works on the two major OS - I know, some are of the opnion that Windows and Mac are not the two major OSes, but sales show otherwise. I'm not here to argue OS semantics, et al, just to point out that Adobe has a free viewer that you can download from their website. Also, depending on your control/inhabitions to your own moral outlook, you can also pirate the software via any warez sight, or by conversation with your standard geek - for the record I am not advocating this action, just listing it as an option. Also, for those who use Unix and/or Linux based OSes, et al, there are viewers for PDFs there as well as programs that convert/create PDFs that are also free. In fact many OSes, especially Linux, have viewers for a lot of options, including MS products, that are free. One does not have to go low tech unless they need to due to OS issues - IE: you're running something, no matter how stable, that is considered antiquated. Win 3.1, DOS whatever version, and so forth. Anyhow, just my two cents - if not for a contract I had during Y2K my full version of Adobe Acrobat, not the reader but the full version of the program, would not be in my possession and used as my primary campaign document transport. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sir Charles" To: Sent: Wednesday, 26 September, 2001 09:21 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > > > > > > Convert PDF to anything other than a screenshot without paying > Adobe... > > > > Pay them, then. It's what makes the world go around. > I don't have $20 for a dot matrix printer - where am I going to get the > money Adobe wants for products I would use, what, twice? > > > > Umm... yeah, that's $20 more than I *have* to spend on a printer. And > no > > >they aren't - who prints out their sourcecode??? > > > > Source code, perhaps not. But pretty much everything else. You seem to > be > > looking for something to complain about. > No, I'm not. I'm merely stating to you that not everyone, even not > everyone on this list, can handle all of these things of which you speak. > You sound like a MS salesman. What I'm trying to do is point out that not > everyone has the newest, fastest, biggest, bestest out there. It's like > people who write JavaScript which checks only for NS4 or IE4, and never > bothers to check for Opera, which can handle, with greater ease than NS or > IE, the very same material. > > > > There's a difference between a 'technogeek' and a driver writer. Show > me > > >all of the Perl programmers who can manipulate the file system at the > base > > >level. And, uh, FYI, no, *not* "every OS under the sun" has support for > > >them. > > > > Yes. Think about it. > No, I *have* thought about it. There are experimental OS's which *don't* > have even rudimentary printer support. There are plenty of operating > systems for which the hardware manufacturers won't write drivers, because > it's not a large enough user base. That relies heavily upon the users > themselves writing drivers, which usually takes a while and tends to be > buggy. In my house alone are 4 different computers, running 6 different > operating systems and platforms, none of the computers being any newer than > 2yrs old, the oldest being almost 10 years old. Of those 6 OS's, 1 of them > doesn't even /have/ LPT access written in, another machine doesn't have a > parallel port, another is on a partition so small there isn't room for > pretty little add-ons like drivers for extraneous hardware... Only one is > dedicated to Windows, and the printer that's hooked up to it is gummed up. > There are actually people in the world who use computers for things other > than gaming consoles or word processors. > Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of an IOpener? It's been around > about 3yrs or so now, and lacks a printer port completely. Doesn't even > have ANY printer control software built in by default. Think about it. > > > > Not the newer PDF's. Newer PDF documents won't be readable by older > > >viewers. Look at xpdf for X - even it doesn't display PDF's properly > unless > > >they're 100% text. Tables and graphics throw it for a loop half the > time. > > > > And your point is? It doesn't have to be saved in the newest format- just > a > > format that makes it legible and acceptable to the majority of readers. > ... Except that many times, the newest editor will save in the newest > format, with keys that the older viewers can't recognize. I've noticed this > just between Acrobat Reader 2 and 3. Hell, even codes that aren't needed to > make a plain text document will be included in the headers. MS Word 2000 > does this, even. So do not tell me "it doesn't have to be saved in the > newest format", because most of your larger-volume editors default to the > newest settings, and some aren't even backwards compatible at all. > > So, is there ANY chance we can get back on topic here? The basic point > is: Not everyone on this list can view spreadsheets or PDFs or can print, > just like some of us can't play CDs in our cars or have seatwarmers. A > plain text document with spaces in between columns would be SO insanely easy > compared to some of the other options which've been discussed, it's almost > ridiculous it's not used more often. Hell, you want an incredibly powerful > and useful text editor for Windows with more features you can shake a stick > at which could make a nice tabled document EASILY, always saves in plain > text without stupid header crap or special binary formatting, and is free? > Check out NoteTab. Yes, FREE. http://www.notetab.com/ ... > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:38 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List- Web Hosting It occurred to me that this would be a great thing for FFG to put on their BP site. And since they publish the game, they don't need to worry about infringing on their own IP do they? Besides they need more stuff there. I got my contribution posted, now let's see if teh list can come up with some more goodies for them.... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sir Charles [chalz@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:47 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > Adobe has a /FREE/ PDF veiwer called Acrobat Reader and it works on the > two major OS - I know, some are of the opnion that Windows and Mac are not > the two major OSes, but sales show otherwise. I'm aware of the viewer. However, you can't really do anything to the document with the viewer. That was my point on that matter. You need to buy their software to edit it. "Portable" indeed! > I'm not here to argue OS semantics, et al, just to point out that Adobe > has a free viewer that you can download from their website. Only if you have Windows or Mac OS. I would also like to point out that the system reqs for Reader 5 for Windows are 64MB of RAM and 24MB of available drive space. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. 64MB of RAM?!?! I guess those people who got machines with motherboard-based 3D cards, such as the Tridents, won't be able to use it necessarily, considering the machine is set up to draw 8MB from the main RAM pool for the video card - Compaq makes a machine like this even. Sure, it comes with 64MB but 8MB is drawn off for the video. Like I said, "'Portable' indeed!" > Also, depending on your control/inhabitions to your own moral outlook, > you can also pirate the software via any warez sight, or by conversation > with your standard geek - for the record I am not advocating this action, > just listing it as an option. ... Which is not an option. > Also, for those who use Unix and/or Linux based OSes, et al, there are > viewers for PDFs there as well as programs that convert/create PDFs that are > also free. > > In fact many OSes, especially Linux, have viewers for a lot of options, > including MS products, that are free. Not all. My primary machine runs QNX6 with Photon - no one has a native PDF viewer for it. I've had to use xpdf, which is a crock. And you can't exactly say that this is some backward little OS - QSSL has been in business and producing operating systems for 20 years now. http://www.qnx.com/ ... > One does not have to go low tech unless they need to due to OS issues - > IE: you're running something, no matter how stable, that is considered > antiquated. Win 3.1, DOS whatever version, and so forth. And, you know, just because someone's 'on the net' and all that crap, doesn't mean they've got all of these wonderful toys and whatnot. Even if you have an IMac, there's no parallel port on there, just USB. Where's your $20 printer going to fit? > Anyhow, just my two cents - if not for a contract I had during Y2K my > full version of Adobe Acrobat, not the reader but the full version of the > program, would not be in my possession and used as my primary campaign > document transport. Mmm. The only contact I've had with the non-free versions of Adobe material is when I was editing for a music magazine a couple years ago. > > Robert N. Emerson > pax vobiscum What does that mean, btw? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Necromancer Bob [necrobob@mail.compfxnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:44 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Robert N. Emerson" Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:46:21 -0600 > Adobe has a /FREE/ PDF veiwer called Acrobat Reader and it works on the >two major OS - I know, some are of the opnion that Windows and Mac are not >the two major OSes, but sales show otherwise. The three major OSes, actually. IIRC, there's a Linux version. Or at the very least, there are free Linux PDF viewers out there, Adobe-made or not. > Also, for those who use Unix and/or Linux based OSes, et al, there are >viewers for PDFs there as well as programs that convert/create PDFs that are >also free. Ah. So ya didn't forget this. }-> I'd have put Linux in the "major OS" category, since it's gaining popularity. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:09 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Play Nice! (was: Equipment List - OT) > -----Original Message----- > From: Sir Charles [mailto:chalz@earthlink.net] > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > Umm... yeah, that's $20 more than I *have* to spend on a > printer. And no > they aren't - who prints out their sourcecode??? > Ahem. Not to take one side over the other having been in both places, but I do. Call me old-fashioned but when I mark up a printout it sometimes help me create solutions. But I'm not a programmer per se. And I certainly wasn't *educated* as one (and damn glad of it after seeing the computer science department here!). However the tone of these is getting a *bit* hypercritical if not a touch personal and I'd like to paint a smiley face on it and remind everyone we're all friends here. > > -Necromancer Bob, still uses Eudora Light 2.0 for most of > > his email... > --Charles, who still uses pine for half his email. > Jim "who expects sympathy from both of you since he is forced to use Outlook for his email" *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:00 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT pax vobiscum, ...means, directly transulated via usage and meaning, 'peace be with you' in latin. Now onto your reply. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sir Charles" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 06:47 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > I'm aware of the viewer. However, you can't really do anything to the > document with the viewer. That was my point on that matter. You need to > buy their software to edit it. "Portable" indeed! It's very portable in that I use it myself on my home PC and my laptop, prior to owning the full version I had just the viewer on both, as well as friends of mine using it on their handheld devices ranging from Palms to Ipaqs. Now, once the current document is done, why would you need to 'do anything' withthe document - obviously, in part, you mean adding new items once they're out and adding custom items. A nice feature, but with a concentrated 'net' effort we could easily keep the document up to date with both official and unofficial items - obviously depending upon the original author/compiler of the document. > > Only if you have Windows or Mac OS. I would also like to point out that > the system reqs for Reader 5 for Windows are 64MB of RAM and 24MB of > available drive space. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. 64MB of RAM?!?! > I guess those people who got machines with motherboard-based 3D cards, such > as the Tridents, won't be able to use it necessarily, considering the > machine is set up to draw 8MB from the main RAM pool for the video card - > Compaq makes a machine like this even. Sure, it comes with 64MB but 8MB is > drawn off for the video. Like I said, "'Portable' indeed!" Yeap, as I noted previous, the main/official PDF viewer would be from Adobe, which means only, currently, Windows and Mac OSes - some of my more anti Windows friends only have Windows for a few programs, including the Adobe Acrobat Reader. I'll point out from personal usage, but those specs are best cause scenario since I have a built in video card, attached to an accelerate,on a PC with only 64 MB ram, a 333 Mhz Proc, and a crappy Win modem and my system handles PDFs fine while on-line with my system floating at 47-57% of resources free - I hate Winmodems! But they're cheap. > > Not all. My primary machine runs QNX6 with Photon - no one has a native > PDF viewer for it. I've had to use xpdf, which is a crock. And you can't > exactly say that this is some backward little OS - QSSL has been in business > and producing operating systems for 20 years now. http://www.qnx.com/ ... I didn't say it was, I referred to some who do use antiquated OSes. > > And, you know, just because someone's 'on the net' and all that crap, > doesn't mean they've got all of these wonderful toys and whatnot. Even if > you have an IMac, there's no parallel port on there, just USB. Where's > your $20 printer going to fit? Honestly, if someone has an Imac - Macs, as usually, are one of the most over-priced boxes on the market (this coming from a former Apple tech support guy who likes Macs) - I couldn't see them wanting to put a $20 printer on that platform. I can understand if they'd want too, but just couldn't see it since most printers in that range are either antiques or low quality (IE: Like HPs Apollo line) - it makes for affordable, low grade printing but not the kind that seems to be primary today. Although you can get a parallal to USB conversion which is stated to work, although I don't like it at all - I use to, up until a few weeks ago, support the HP Photosmart line of products via telephone and we never supported this option since most conversions/adapters sucked big time. I know how it feels to have, or desire something to be supported in a general, 100% cross platform way, but this is rarely a reality. One way would be as a post-script file, but not all people have post-script views. Another is ASCII, but most people hate the quality. Another way could be an RTF, yet again not fully true. Most companies, people, authors, et al, have to make a choice of OSes and, at least, a PDF works with both major OSes, although not all in usage as they're more specialized, alternative, and more stable OSes on the market, but they're not commercially popular - however, if the author of the document so wishes, placing it on as many doc formats as possible is also an option, but a lot of work as well. The only reason I use Windows anything, currently Me because a friend of mine works for MS on the Xbox and I bought it via him for $10 legally, is because of the general nature of most the software I use - My profantasy softwares, my Office Suite, my internet clients (including IE and Outlook) and so forth. Microsoft can be a pain in the ass, I won't even go into the nature of crashes that are both native and/or because of conflicts with other products, but it's the most common OS when looking at other companies and their products - games, office suites, and so forth. Personally I wish companies supported more alternative, specialized, or stable OSes, but it's not a common, or an affordable option - it just doesn't fit the logistics of it. If a company can't support this, it's even more difficult to see an individual do it, although more likely as well since a non-company/profit individual can pass it around to those who could put it into more cross-OS platforms. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Seahawk [seahawk@visi.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:21 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT Well, to chime in, I'd like to see it in PDF [I like the pretty graphics! :-)], but having a tabed text doc would be nice to, and since it's straight text people can either use it as such or dump it into whatever program suits their fancy and edit it up to whatever they like. And since it looks like it isn't going to be THAT complicated of a listing I don't see it as a problem. Chad Chirhart seahawk@visi.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:27 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT Nope, I never forget Linux, since in general I prefer it to most OSes - but preferring and able to use on a wide-spectrum are two, seperate things. :) I'm, especially being unemployed, the poorest of my friends/gaming buddies in that almost all of them, with the exception of the lawyer, are computer professionals with various companies, two of them are major Linux geeks here in Boise, including one who founded the Linux Users Group here. Bill and Dave both use a lot of the converters, etc, with nice results - I'll ask them which one they prefer to make and read PDFs. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Necromancer Bob" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 07:44 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List - OT > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Robert N. Emerson" > Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:46:21 -0600 > > Adobe has a /FREE/ PDF veiwer called Acrobat Reader and it works on the > >two major OS - I know, some are of the opnion that Windows and Mac are not > >the two major OSes, but sales show otherwise. > > The three major OSes, actually. IIRC, there's a Linux version. Or at the very least, there are free Linux PDF viewers out there, Adobe-made or not. > > > Also, for those who use Unix and/or Linux based OSes, et al, there are > >viewers for PDFs there as well as programs that convert/create PDFs that are > >also free. > > Ah. So ya didn't forget this. }-> I'd have put Linux in the "major OS" category, since it's gaining popularity. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Almarast@aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:29 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - hey, remember the equipment list? ahem. ladies and gentlemen, might i kindly suggest you cease the apparently endless, diarrhea-like flow of techno-babble and return this to a serv about, oh, say, BLUE PLANET? and neal (i think that was your name; it's become lost in the annals of email i've been automatically DELETING), i would suggest picking a format and going with it, as far as the equipment list is concerned. 'consensus' is not a word that has much application here, i'm afraid, and any decision you make is certainly going to be met with dissatisfaction by some parties. them's the breaks... love and hugs, -dave *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: C.K. Lee [ckl@ccilearning.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:56 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Many thanks! Looking forward to seeing this list when its all done, regardless of what format its in! Are you thinking of putting cyber/biomods in a list of its own? C.K. -----Original Message----- I have finished typing in the equipment from the Player's Guide (except for the bio/cyber mods, which I'm not convinced belong in this equipment list, and the weapons, which have a fine list of their own in the back of Fluid Mechanics). *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: C.K. Lee [ckl@ccilearning.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 10:57 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to figure out what the community thinks :) Thanks in advance for any comments you may have, C.K. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: C.K. Lee [ckl@ccilearning.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:21 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - hey, remember the equipment list? :) I say Neal just picks whatever is convenient to him, and if it doesn't work for some people, well it isn't the end of the world... we'll just have to depend on the others in the community (who can access that format) to kindly convert it or even print it out, and maybe even send it via snail mail... C.K. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:12 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.ient.com' Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > -----Original Message----- > From: C.K. Lee [mailto:ckl@ccilearning.com] > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm > trying to figure out what the community thinks :) > Reiterating the responses to this question I've seen previously, in general the consensus has been "it depends." I know that's not very useful but Haven won't help much if your campaign is based around West Cape. And Frontier Law won't help if you're running an EMT or a Incorporate espionage campaign. But as a BioHazardite I'd have to say, Yes, buy them both!! ;-P Jim *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rusty.Neal@Bull.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:13 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Ok what the heck. Everyone seems to want the bio/cyber mods and the weapons in the list, so I will add them. It will take a little longer (hey, I'm doing it during lunchtime). I will make an Excel version and a text only version. I will also see about making a PDF version. Rusty *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Necromancer Bob [necrobob@mail.compfxnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:12 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "C.K. Lee" Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:57:00 -0700 >Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these >sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to >figure out what the community thinks :) They're very much both of those things. Haven: This covers the city in a kind of detail that you don't usually see. Insanely detailed. Very useful. A few good adventures, as well. Should probably be your first sourcebook ya get. }-> Frontier Justice: A bit dry (as most BP books are at times), but again insanely detailed. Includes a primer on forensics, investigative methods and lots of other stuff. Probably most useful if you run a law enforcement-based game (and from what I understand, lots of folks have GEO Marshals in their parties), but also helps if your player characters are of the less-than-savory variety. This and Natural Selection tie for "you should buy this book second". *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 11:29 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Well, ...I'm a completist, but I find both books well done, worthy purchases, and enjoyable source books. As top notch as all other BP releases. Robert N. Emerson pax. vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.K. Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 09:57 AM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to > figure out what the community thinks :) > > Thanks in advance for any comments you may have, > C.K. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: C.K. Lee [ckl@ccilearning.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:05 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Thanks to all who answered... I'll snag'm both on the way home tonight. More reading material! That'll bring my Blue Planet v2 bookshelf up-to-date... Now if I can only get my group together to play that would make it all that much more worthwhile... :) CK who anxiously awaits the cetacean sourcebook -----Original Message----- From: owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com [mailto:owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com]On Behalf Of Robert N. Emerson Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:29 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Well, ...I'm a completist, but I find both books well done, worthy purchases, and enjoyable source books. As top notch as all other BP releases. Robert N. Emerson pax. vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.K. Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 09:57 AM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to > figure out what the community thinks :) > > Thanks in advance for any comments you may have, > C.K. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:17 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List Well, ...if you like, I can make it into a PDF if you want - all I need is whatever your final version, that would fit into a PDF, is. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Equipment List > > Ok what the heck. Everyone seems to want the bio/cyber mods > and the weapons in the list, so I will add them. It will take a little > longer (hey, I'm doing it during lunchtime). > > I will make an Excel version and a text only version. I will > also see about making a PDF version. > > Rusty > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Yeah, ...same here, my shelf has all of the v2 stuff - although a I still want a GM screen. :) *hint* Overall, my favorite RPG/setting is BP - I rarely get to run it, which makes me want to open an on-line forum for it, but I enjoy it none the less. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.K. Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Thanks to all who answered... I'll snag'm both on the way home tonight. More > reading material! That'll bring my Blue Planet v2 bookshelf up-to-date... > > Now if I can only get my group together to play that would make it all that > much more worthwhile... :) > > CK > who anxiously awaits the cetacean sourcebook > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com > [mailto:owner-blue_planet@lists.ient.com]On Behalf Of Robert N. Emerson > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 9:29 AM > To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > > > Well, > > ...I'm a completist, but I find both books well done, worthy purchases, > and enjoyable source books. > > As top notch as all other BP releases. > > Robert N. Emerson > pax. vobiscum > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C.K. Lee" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 09:57 AM > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > > > > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to > > figure out what the community thinks :) > > > > Thanks in advance for any comments you may have, > > C.K. > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Dom Twist [thazar@globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:58 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - BPonTV Check out:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/ Lots of stuff on the BBC's current NatureDoc series called :- 'Blue Planet' The series has been mentioned on the list of course...but as my game runs on Wednesday Evenings I've missed it. Last night was a by however so I got to catch it. So So to start...but later the shots of 'Bait Balls' of schooling smaller fish and the shots of Dolphin herding them were fantastic. This ended with Dolphion, Tuna, Shearwater Birds and even a Whale tearing into the ball...and shots on how they filmed it. Fantastic. Previous shows in this series have been...hmmm seen this before...but this was real blue water stuff filmed 10 miles of Baha and the Azores. Check it out. DomT *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: David R. Crowell [gpfarm-dave@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:57 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Whaddaya mean you want a GM Screen? Access Denied not good enough for ya? Actually a v2 GM screen would be very nice indeed. -dave yet another BP completist ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert N. Emerson To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Yeah, > > ...same here, my shelf has all of the v2 stuff - although a I still want > a GM screen. :) *hint* > > Overall, my favorite RPG/setting is BP - I rarely get to run it, which > makes me want to open an on-line forum for it, but I enjoy it none the less. > > Robert N. Emerson > pax vobiscum > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jeb Boyt [jeboyt@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 3:25 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Interestingly enough, there was a recent discussion on RPG.net about running a Blue Planet law enforcement campaign with Hill Street Blues, Homicide, NYPD Blue, and Law & Order as references. The discussion was entitled "Cops and Robbers AGAIN" (9/24): http://www.rpg.net/pf/read.php?f=61&i=4266&t=4266 Jeb ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dom Twist" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:48:17 +0100 Very focused....very useful if you want to run a game in that spotlight. Not so if not. I love them. Not my favorite supplement ever (Mercenary? Shadowtech?) but still good. I'd never really considered a law enforcement campaign before although I've run the flip version loads of times. Strange considering my addiction to 'Hill Street Blues' and 'Homicide: Life on the Streets'. Both of these two sups seem to me to have a Law Enforcement feel. DomT ----- Original Message ----- From: "C.K. Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to > figure out what the community thinks :) > > Thanks in advance for any comments you may have, > C.K. > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Adam Ward [robin_redcap@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:03 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BPonTV I saw the programme as well. I'd recommend it for everyone interested in Poseidon, or our own 'Blue Planet'. The BBC are rushing out the videos and DVD's (due out this week if I recall correctly) before the season finishes, so Amazon or your retailer of choice may have them. So far the first episode dealt with the coastline (close up footage of Dolphins using bubbles to hunt), number two showed the depths and the ocean floor (jellyfish at 1000m down!) and this weeks dealt with the "deserts of the ocean" - the huge distances between islands - sharks, dolphins (mid air spinning during travel), and predator whales. Actually I am beginning to think of dolphins as somewhat akin to waterbound Mafia hitmen - "whenever they kill, they kill with smiles". To date, most of my Cetacean NPC's have been way too fluffy and nice. So the next one is going to be called "Psycho". >From: "Dom Twist" >Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com >To: >Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - BPonTV >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:57:58 +0100 > >Check out:- > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/ > >Lots of stuff on the BBC's current NatureDoc series called :- >'Blue Planet' > >The series has been mentioned on the list of course...but as my game runs >on >Wednesday Evenings I've missed it. >Last night was a by however so I got to catch it. So So to start...but >later >the shots of 'Bait Balls' of schooling smaller fish and the shots of >Dolphin herding them were fantastic. This ended with Dolphion, Tuna, >Shearwater Birds and even a Whale tearing into the ball...and shots on how >they filmed it. Fantastic. Previous shows in this series have been...hmmm >seen this before...but this was real blue water stuff filmed 10 miles of >Baha and the Azores. Check it out. > > >DomT > >*************************************************************************** >To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com >with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mike Czaplinski [mikec@busworks.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:03 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks At 08:57 AM 9/27/01 -0700, C. K. Lee wrote: >Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these >sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm trying to >figure out what the community thinks :) HAVEN is OK, though it is the only book out of all of the BPv2 line that I wouldn't say is a 'must have'. It covers the same ground that the write-up in the MG covers, but with much greater detail, and though the writing is excellent, it really is only useful for GM's who want to run a game or campaign within the environs of the city itself, and is the thinnest of all the BPv2 books. FRONTIER LAW, OTOH, is an absolute 'must have'. Much as parts of NATURAL LAW read like an actual dissertation on comparative biology and wilderness survival, FRONTIER LAW is a by-the-numbers police procedural and legal primer. It also ties into HAVEN by detailing the workings of the Russian Mob and the New Rasta movement, two groups who break the law for very different reasons. I can't really say how much overlap there is between HAVEN and FL regarding the Russian Mob. I haven't done more than skim HAVEN, and haven't yet read the Organized Crime sections of FL in favor of the law enforcement section while working on my ever-under-construction campaign. Based on what I have seen, though, if you're on a budget, I would stick to FL. MikeC *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Mike Czaplinski [mikec@busworks.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:07 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks At 11:12 AM 9/27/01 -0500, Jim Heivillin wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: C.K. Lee [mailto:ckl@ccilearning.com] > > Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > > > > Does anybody have any comments on how useful or "substantial" these > > sourcebooks are? Mulling over purchasing them and I guess I'm > > trying to figure out what the community thinks :) > > >Reiterating the responses to this question I've seen previously, in general >the consensus has been "it depends." I know that's not very useful but >Haven won't help much if your campaign is based around West Cape. And >Frontier Law won't help if you're running an EMT or a Incorporate espionage >campaign. Not to disagree with the Great Maker (tm 1991 JMS, all rights reserved), but FL would be quite applicable for an EMT or espionage campaign. After all, EMT's often work hand-in-hand with law enforcement, and are often on the scene of crimes, so a GM having a knowledge of what cop (or robber) is in the area would help immensely. Same goes witn Incorporate espionage: they will spend a lot of time having to dodge law enforcement of various stripes, and FL will help a good GM set up appropriate obstacles for them >But as a BioHazardite I'd have to say, Yes, buy them both!! ;-P As I have, master.... MikeC, who thinks those free sample Vortex hexes he got have subliminal messages in them..... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andrew Whincup [shanhat@angelfire.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 5:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks Sorry to jump in at this stage, but I have to agree with Jim. The law enforcement stuff is excellent, but not incredibly useful if you're not actually planning to be police. The gangster stuff on the other hand was a bit light and for those of us who don't know how to set one of these organisations up at the end of the 22nd century. I was a bit disappointed 'cos I don't want to run police in my game, what I was after were some of the effects of both on the society as a whole and more specifically my PCs. But hey, what was there was mostly very good. Sorry. --- Shanhat "I'm too young to marry Too old to mess about Let me be your carry out At closing time." Oysterband http://shanhat.webjump.com/ Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Robert N. Emerson [cudraoi@uswest.net] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 8:24 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks I wouldn't mind it, ...but I got into BP after the first version, so I have none of it. Robert N. Emerson pax vobiscum ----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Crowell" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > Whaddaya mean you want a GM Screen? Access Denied not good enough for ya? > Actually a v2 GM screen would be very nice indeed. > -dave > yet another BP completist > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert N. Emerson > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Haven & Frontier Law sourcebooks > > > > Yeah, > > > > ...same here, my shelf has all of the v2 stuff - although a I still > want > > a GM screen. :) *hint* > > > > Overall, my favorite RPG/setting is BP - I rarely get to run it, which > > makes me want to open an on-line forum for it, but I enjoy it none the > less. > > > > Robert N. Emerson > > pax vobiscum > > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.