From: Andrew Pearce [ajp@dcs.qmw.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:33 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - 1st time Planeters christopher gribbon wrote: > > >Ugh. In Bad Moon Rising, there's a teleporter used to get the > >PCs from Earth to the Moon. It just struck me there that the > >Creators could use nanites to take the PCs apart, atom by atom, > >transmit a blueprint for the pcs to the destination, and then > >have another set of nanites recreate the PCs in perfect detail, > >down to the last neuron.... > > Hmmm. > It could be interesting if some ... mistakes were made in the copying process, or if a copy > was left behind at the departure point (ie - the nanites just read the signature of the travellers > instead of dissassembling them). I recall reading something that said that the amount of information needed to completely describe a human being (the state of each and every atom at that point) was so enormous that it was effectively impossible. Also, to read the state that accurately would necessitate destroying the original. Still, it's a good idea, if you're willing to let it go... Andrew *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: christopher gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 4:41 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - 1st time Planeters >Ugh. In Bad Moon Rising, there's a teleporter used to get the >PCs from Earth to the Moon. It just struck me there that the >Creators could use nanites to take the PCs apart, atom by atom, >transmit a blueprint for the pcs to the destination, and then >have another set of nanites recreate the PCs in perfect detail, >down to the last neuron.... Hmmm. It could be interesting if some ... mistakes were made in the copying process, or if a copy was left behind at the departure point (ie - the nanites just read the signature of the travellers instead of dissassembling them). Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Heivilin, Jim [banzai@missouri.edu] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:55 AM To: 'blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com' Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel (was: 1st time Planeters) > -----Original Message----- > From: gareth hanrahan [mailto:hanrahag@iol.ie] > Subject: Re: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - 1st time Planeters > > Ugh. In Bad Moon Rising, there's a teleporter used to get the > PCs from Earth to the Moon. It just struck me there that the > Creators could use nanites to take the PCs apart, atom by atom, > transmit a blueprint for the pcs to the destination, and then > have another set of nanites recreate the PCs in perfect detail, > down to the last neuron.... > I remember reading a Piers Anthony book years ago (I think it was called "Universe"[?]) which had an interesting methodology for space travel. Since low-level acceleration would mean it would take forever to get anywhere, high G acceleration was considered the only option. But of course the limits would be the human body. So the technique in this book was to template the body and then reduce it down to the component nutrient soup and store it in a tub. It was much less/more compressible than the body in it's natural form and acceleration at very high G (in excess of 30) was possible (assuming the craft was tolerant of the forces). Details may be incorrect since it was many years ago I read this and my mind is cluttered with all sorts of other useless trivia. Jim -- Jim Heivilin, 884-3898, IAT Services, Systems & Applications Group -- University of Missouri, mailto:banzai@missouri.edu *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:25 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Go as soup. >Jim Heivilin wrote: "I remember reading a Piers Anthony book years ago >(I think it was called "Universe"[?]) which had an interesting methodology >for space travel. Since low-level acceleration would mean it would take >forever to get anywhere, high G acceleration was considered the only >option. But of course the limits would be the human body. So the >technique in this book was to template the body and then reduce it down to >the component nutrient soup and store it in a tub. It was much less/more >compressible than the body in it's natural form and acceleration at very >high G (in excess of 30) was possible (assuming the craft was tolerant of >the forces)." If you are a nutrient soup, you aren't compressible. Water isn't compressible. But I find the notion icky. Then there is the feasible 60s version, also in use by the US Navy: for high-pressure or gravity situations, submerge the body for cushioning and fill up all orifices with goop. This is only used for deep-diving missions with the Navy (popularised in 'The Abyss,' I believe) in real life. In one of those Jumpship-poweredsuit-humans v. bugs novels of the 60s (i can get the cite tonite), one woman's suit fits improperly and the pressure of a light piece of cloth cuts her in half in her tank. Yick. But the theory is sound, i think. I remember that the book describes the situation as highly unpleasant - they fill your whole body with some oxygenated goo, including your lungs, and it is a real drowning nightmare - you have to try so hard not to panic that they usually put you under. I thought it was pretty cool, myself. ********************** Brian Betty, Front Desk Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders http://www.glad.org Tel. (617) 426-1350 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jared A. Sorensen [Jared@memento-mori.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 11:25 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel (was: 1st time Planeters) > I remember reading a Piers Anthony book years ago (I think it was called > "Universe"[?]) which had an interesting methodology for space travel. Since > low-level acceleration would mean it would take forever to get anywhere, > high G acceleration was considered the only option. There's a creepy-ass story in Steve King's Night Shift collection called The Jaunt that anyone doing SF/Horror thing should read. Now let's hope this reaches someone... *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: christopher gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 12:41 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel (was: 1st time Planeters) >There's a creepy-ass story in Steve King's Night Shift collection called The >Jaunt that anyone doing SF/Horror thing should read. Absolutely. >Now let's hope this reaches someone... Well, yes - but only after a long, long time... Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 10:44 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Icky Space Travel The creepiest story I ever read was about a man to be teleported to another planet light years away. The aliens dress him up in some silly silver outfit and 'scan' him. He sits up and asks when he's going to go ... they say he already arrived, and now they just have to 'dispose' of his original copy. Ie. the unfortunate original doesn't "go" anywhere ... - Monkeygod (8-0) Illegitimi non carborundum. "My God, aren't we all spoilt children of the bourgeoisie? If the bourgeoisie hadn't made a botch of us, we wouldn't need to kill them." - Raf the Jackal, "A Good Old-Fashioned Future" (Bruce Sterling) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jared A. Sorensen [Jared@memento-mori.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 12:19 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP: the Movie? http://www.3d-design.com/magazine/0998/blueplanet.html Looks kinda lame -- CGI film about aliens trying to flood the planet. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Atti2dboy@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 1:57 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Go as soup. In a message dated 9/27/99 9:35:10 AM, bbetty@glad.org writes: >Then there is the feasible 60s version, also in use by the US Navy: for >high-pressure or gravity situations, submerge the body for cushioning and >fill up all orifices with goop. This is only used for deep-diving missions >with the Navy (popularised in 'The Abyss,' I believe) in real life. The movie "Event Horizon" had fluid filled acceleration tubes. The crew of an U.S. Orbit Guard (U.S. Coast Guard in space) space vessel climbed into them before beginning their voyage to Neptune. Whereas the U.S. Orbit Guard and the fluid acceleration tanks were cool, the rest of the movie sucked. Even with Sam Neill and Lawrence Fishburn starring as leads. In one scene the Orbit Guard crew enter a derelict ship which is "freezing". In the foreground a bottle of sloshing water cartwheels by in the microgravity. I personally think that was just lousy foley work, but it was annoying just the same. Rich Eide "Rock is dead", Marilyn Manson "Long live Rock", The Who *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 3:46 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Go as soup. >From: Brian Betty >Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com >To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com >Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Go as soup. >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:24:58 -0400 > > >In one of those Jumpship-poweredsuit-humans v. bugs novels of the 60s (i >can get the cite tonite), one woman's suit fits improperly and the pressure >of a light piece of cloth cuts her in half in her tank. > The story in question is from the novel 'The Forever War' by Joe Haldeman, a very good book and one of the few genuinely readable and enjoyable books about a future military. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:22 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Ship me as soup. "The story in question is from the novel 'The Forever War' by Joe Haldeman, a very good book and one of the few genuinely readable and enjoyable books about a future military." And part of an interesting causation of book-writing: the problems of Heinlein's work begat Haldeman's, and the problems of Heinlein's and Haldeman's works begat Orson Scott Card's. - Monkeygod (8-0) Illegitimi non carborundum. "My God, aren't we all spoilt children of the bourgeoisie? If the bourgeoisie hadn't made a botch of us, we wouldn't need to kill them." - Raf the Jackal, "A Good Old-Fashioned Future" (Bruce Sterling) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ankfix@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:08 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP: the Movie? In a message dated 9/27/99 1:23:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jared@memento-mori.com writes: > http://www.3d-design.com/magazine/0998/blueplanet.html Wow, this could really cause some confusion. If this movie is ever actually released, many people may associate the Biohazard RPG with the movie. If the movie is a huge hit (*highly* unlikely), this may be a boon. Even then, people who see the movie and pick up the game may be disappointed when they realize the two are completely different. Now if the movie would happen to *suck*, then this could be very bad for game sales. "That BP movie was lame as hell, why would I want to play the BP game?" Is anybody at Biohazard concerned about this at all? - Fixer :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jared A. Sorensen [Jared@memento-mori.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:44 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP: the Movie? More freaky-deaky from Cinescape.com: ----------------- Word has it that Val Kilmer is really embracing the Aboriginal culture while in Australia in the Red Planet shoot. According to the BBC, Kilmer has taken some time out to learn about the Aborigines which has earned the respect of local elders, who in turn have been teaching him many "Dreamtime" stories. ------------------ Red Planet? Aborginies? Aaaaaargh!!! *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ankfix@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:00 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - BP: the Movie? In a message dated 9/27/99 8:51:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jared@memento-mori.com writes: > Red Planet? > Aborginies? > > Aaaaaargh!!! Actually, the 'Red Planet' is Mars, and the 'Aboriginies' are the actual Australian aborigines (the Red Plant\et movie is being filmed there.) - Fixer :-) *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Tun Kai Poh [t_poh@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 8:46 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Forever War and Peace >The story in question is from the novel 'The Forever War' by Joe Haldeman, a >very good book and one of the few genuinely readable and enjoyable books >about a future military. As is the (non-sequel) follow-up, 'Forever Peace'. Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Tun Kai Poh [t_poh@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:00 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Report from Malaysia A short update from Malaysia: We recently had another Blue Planet session here with the same bunch of guys from my previous BP games (see reports on Dave Klegman's page). The previous campaign had fizzled out (and turned into a Jovian Chronicles game, oddly enough) so these were mostly new characters. The story revolved around seemingly unrelated events at New Fremantle, where a) the shooting of the new CommCore action drama "Poseidon Dolphin Patrol" was commencing, b) an investigation into the Identity Assassin (see Archipelago for details) had just begun, and c) an artificially intelligent prototype submarine had just attained self-awareness. The players, all of whom were outsiders hired by Patterner as "security consultants", ended up having a fun romp around the company town, which involved inter-character bickering, a juvenile race to seduce an attractive NPC female, averting disaster when several jumpbikes went out of control during the shooting of the CommCore program, and foiling a Biogene attempt to steal the prototype sub (who turned out to be the Identity Assassin, trying to break free of its creators). The most memorable scene of the game involved two of the players attempting to communicate with the prototype sub in Morse code while both it and their sub were stuck _inside_ the digestive tract of a Greater White (long story), with a fierce fighter sub battle raging outside...only to find out that the AI sub had gone horribly, irrevocably, mad. Much fun was had by all. One of these days I will have to write all this up in more detail. Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Sakal [csakal@erols.com] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:11 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel - Go as soup. >If you are a nutrient soup, you aren't compressible. Water isn't >compressible. But I find the notion icky. Water is actually slightly compressible, but not very much so. Going as soup presents some problems, like the fact that you're dead. Basically, life as we understand it depends on at least your brain retaining a highly ordered configuration, if you're broken down to soup, you're dead. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Bryan Feir [jenora@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 11:13 PM To: 'blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com' Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Space Travel (was: 1st time Planeters) On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Heivilin, Jim wrote: > I remember reading a Piers Anthony book years ago (I think it was called > "Universe"[?]) which had an interesting methodology for space travel. Since > low-level acceleration would mean it would take forever to get anywhere, > high G acceleration was considered the only option. But of course the > limits would be the human body. So the technique in this book was to > template the body and then reduce it down to the component nutrient soup and > store it in a tub. It was much less/more compressible than the body in it's > natural form and acceleration at very high G (in excess of 30) was possible > (assuming the craft was tolerant of the forces). Actually, the novel I saw this in was _Macroscope_, involving a device that could see anything, a child prodigy, competing alien races trying to teach and destroy us, a game of connect-the-dots, and a rather bizarre form of astrology... ---------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Bryan Feir VA3GBF|"Every man has somewhere in the back of his head bryan@sgl.crestech.ca | the wreck of a thing which he calls his jenora@sympatico.ca | education." -- Stephen Leacock ---------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.