From: Troy Gustavel [troy_nevermore@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:30 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet and Cyberpunk Nah, no one would ever believe that --- Chris Stilson wrote: > You know, I think I've got a great solution to this debate. Blue > Planet > isn't cyberpunk; Blue Planet is Blue Planet. Sound good? :) ===== Troy Gustavel 5825 Bolender Rd. Akron, OH 44319 (330)882 5468 Troy_Nevermore@Yahoo.com "Once upon a midnight dreary..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Stilson [crazycat@orcalink.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:13 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Great News regarding Storm Surge 1) Hopefully it should be online by Sunday; Monday at the latest. It will be located at www.stormsurge.org (there's nothing there yet, though, so please don't try), and will be host to everything that Andy's old site contained (except the guide to Haven) plus anything else that gets submitted to us. 2) I need some input on the legal stuff. First of all, to the Biohazard people; may I, i) include a greatly abridged timeline of events (to be used as a general reference for the major events so that people looking for the date of Recontact won't have to sift through the entirety of the Players' Guide timeline to find it), ii) put your webpage in the links section, and iii) use the BP description page on your website on the "Game World" link (it's just a direct plug that redirects to your page)? Next, to the guy who had the GURPS conversion to Blue Planet; if you redo the layout of that anytime soon, would you mind putting your name on it as well? Otherwise I'm not able to indicate that it's yours (of course, if you'd like to submit it to Storm Surge and have us put it on our server, we can do that too). Lastly; does anyone think that the line "All content is the intellectual property of its stated author(s)" is sufficient to govern submissions (given that very little of it will be under copyright, and I sort of need the space in the lower frame to put ads in)? 3) Unfortunately, although I wanted to run an online BP game via IRC through Storm Surge, the hosting site I have to make do with doesn't have IRC capability. Is there anyone out there who's got a server they could use for this (I know someone who does, but they aren't able to keep the server running 24/7)? 4) Since I saw a lot of people talking about a fan submission database/newsletter/continuity project, but nobody actually doing anything, I've set up the Tidewater Project on Storm Surge. Its purpose is going to be to take all the official and fan Blue Planet lore (including stuff submitted to Storm Surge, stuff on other fan sites, and the official stuff from Undercurrents) and arrange it to form a total Blue Planet continuity. This would, every so often, be released for public consumption in the form of a newsletter which I'm calling "Tidepool" (there's a good reason for why I'm calling it that, but it sounds stupid when I try to explain it). However, to do all this I need some help; namely, I need to know what the URLs are to all the fan sites that we know of, and I'd also need some people to help prioritize, categorize, and puzzle out how everything's going to fit in (otherwise it's just me doing it, and I since I'm mostly a lurker on this list I don't think I have enough credibility to do it myself). The perks are you get a yourname@stormsurge.org pop3 email address. Well, I think that's just about that for now... -- ChrisTheS www.stormsurge.org From: Troy Gustavel [troy_nevermore@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 1:39 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? You were seven years old and got through dune!!?? Jaw drops in awe. I thought me reading the silmarillion when I was 10 was impressive. In short, dune is a very far future setting in which most of galactic society relies on a particualr compound called "spice" which can only be mined on the desert planet Arakis (dune). The spice is used to extend life, provide some forms of precognitive ability, travel through hyperspace, and accelerate human evolution. Arakis is inhabited by a "native" population of humans called fremen and controlled by the emperor through one of the great houses. The fremen don't much like the emperor. Thats the initial setting. The books themselves revolve around the son of one of the powerful nobles in teh galactic empire who has been bred to be ... I'm not even going to try to spell that from memory, tramslates as "superbeing", who ends up on arakis and basically leads a revolution. That is as short as I can make a sumary of Dune. If you don't remember them, I heartily recomend re-reading them. There are some new dune books out by the original authors son which I have heard are actually pretty good, though I have not read any myself, so now would be a good time to get back into the setting --- Chris Stilson wrote: > Umm... could someone give me a quick rehash of Dune? Nothing > detailed, just > enough to refresh my memory. I've only read the books once, and that > was > about 8 or 9 years ago (and I was 7 years old at the time, so I > probably > didn't understand about 20% of it). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heivilin, Jim" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:49 AM > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ml10@aol.com [mailto:Ml10@aol.com] > > > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? > > > In a message dated Wed, 11 Oct 2000 5:45:56 PM Eastern > > > > > > > > By the time of the Dune novels, the Guild no longer > > > had their computers and without spice, going through > > > Fold Space would be like driving at high speed while blindfolded. > > > > > And so while it wasn't technically true that they needed Spice to > fold > > space, since they had gotten rid of the computers they were > *practically* > > bound to the substance. Or were the computers still available > somewhere? > > > > Obviously it's been years since I read the books. And I don't ever > recall > > seeing that detailed an explanation, what was your source? > > > > Jim > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > ===== Troy Gustavel 5825 Bolender Rd. Akron, OH 44319 (330)882 5468 Troy_Nevermore@Yahoo.com "Once upon a midnight dreary..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Stilson [crazycat@orcalink.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 2:04 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? (majorly off topic, BTW) Thanks :) (I won't spoil the impressiveness of when you got through the Silmarillion by telling you when I read it... it tends to depress people when I do. Suffice to say that I learned to read at age 3/early 4, and I didn't go through that stupid "See Spot Run" stage first... the first word I learned to read was "sesquepedalian", followed by "palindrome", "mellifluous", "kleptomaniac", "Zanzibar", "pyx", "ptarmigan"... you get the idea. And I learned what all of them meant almost right from the beginning, too. The first book that I started reading by myself without any aid from parents was the Hobbit (at about age 5 I think), after which I moved on to LotR almost immediately only pausing for a period of Charlotte's Web and Winnie the Pooh--so you can get a pretty good idea of what my literary history has been.) -- ChrisTheS Who can't resist the temptation to show off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Gustavel" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? > You were seven years old and got through dune!!?? > > Jaw drops in awe. I thought me reading the silmarillion when I was 10 > was impressive. > > In short, dune is a very far future setting in which most of galactic > society relies on a particualr compound called "spice" which can only > be mined on the desert planet Arakis (dune). The spice is used to > extend life, provide some forms of precognitive ability, travel through > hyperspace, and accelerate human evolution. Arakis is inhabited by a > "native" population of humans called fremen and controlled by the > emperor through one of the great houses. The fremen don't much like the > emperor. Thats the initial setting. The books themselves revolve around > the son of one of the powerful nobles in teh galactic empire who has > been bred to be ... I'm not even going to try to spell that from > memory, tramslates as "superbeing", who ends up on arakis and basically > leads a revolution. > > That is as short as I can make a sumary of Dune. If you don't remember > them, I heartily recomend re-reading them. There are some new dune > books out by the original authors son which I have heard are actually > pretty good, though I have not read any myself, so now would be a good > time to get back into the setting > > > > --- Chris Stilson wrote: > > Umm... could someone give me a quick rehash of Dune? Nothing > > detailed, just > > enough to refresh my memory. I've only read the books once, and that > > was > > about 8 or 9 years ago (and I was 7 years old at the time, so I > > probably > > didn't understand about 20% of it). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heivilin, Jim" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:49 AM > > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ml10@aol.com [mailto:Ml10@aol.com] > > > > Subject: RE: [BLUE PLANET] - Dune? > > > > In a message dated Wed, 11 Oct 2000 5:45:56 PM Eastern > > > > > > > > > > > By the time of the Dune novels, the Guild no longer > > > > had their computers and without spice, going through > > > > Fold Space would be like driving at high speed while blindfolded. > > > > > > > And so while it wasn't technically true that they needed Spice to > > fold > > > space, since they had gotten rid of the computers they were > > *practically* > > > bound to the substance. Or were the computers still available > > somewhere? > > > > > > Obviously it's been years since I read the books. And I don't ever > > recall > > > seeing that detailed an explanation, what was your source? > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > > > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > > > > > ===== > Troy Gustavel > 5825 Bolender Rd. > Akron, OH 44319 > (330)882 5468 > Troy_Nevermore@Yahoo.com > > "Once upon a midnight dreary..." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ml10@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:06 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - OT - reading ages I don't even remember when I first started reading. I practically grew up in libraries. (My mother was a librarian) But, at the risk of bruising a few egos, reading "adult" level books at a young age doesn't impress me. There are a great many subtle details that you will miss unless you have the experience and education to understand them. My favorite examples are the writtings of HG Wells. In the Time Machine, the most important detail (the Sphinx) is lost on about 90% of the readers. Once you understand the Sphinx, the entire meaning of the book changes. (and I am not going to give away the answer) The Invisable Man is full scale assult on society. War of the Worlds is a pro-socialist novel. Many of Herbert's writtings (not just, but including the Dune series) are more exercises in exploring the limits of psychology than anything else. My absolute favorite Herbert novel is the Santioga Barrier. It is some heavy duty SF. It is far better than Dune. Mike Z *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Stilson [crazycat@orcalink.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 11:02 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - OT - reading ages >There are a great many subtle > details that you will miss unless you have the experience and education to > understand them. RE: All the better to start reading them at an early age; that way you get the surface ideas like the plot down early, and when you reread them when you're more experienced the nuances are easier to see. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Atti2dboy@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:24 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - ESP In a message dated 10/11/00 4:17:29 PM, hanrahag@iol.ie writes: >To yank the choke-chain of this thread and get it back to BP - what do >people think of the ESP stuff? (Don't have my player's guide handy, so I can >recall the exact name...) I thought it was a bit jarring - the rest of the >setting is all hard-sci-fi, and then suddenly a hint of fuzzy telepathy is >added... I don't know what was done with ESP in the 2nd edition, but I thought the Extra Sensory Perception Enhancement bio-mod in the 1st edition was rather discordant. It showed us the world of ESP in Blue Planet through a key hole. I think that if psychic ability is going to exist in the game world it will have a greater effect than a mere bio-mod and therefore deserves more coverage. Do orcas and dolphins have psychic ability? Do the aborigines? Does Long John enhance psychic ability or have no effect? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Atti2dboy@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 12:24 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Great White Tooth fighting knife In a message dated 10/11/00 12:42:50 PM, Brian_Ferrenz@americanchemistry.com writes: >Hmmm, a Great White Tooth fighting knife.... If I was an native >eco-terrorist-mystic, I'd want one...... Very cool idea! Same damage as a knife? Does it float or sink in salt water? Any other ideas for items made from Poseidon flora or fauna out there? *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Stilson [crazycat@orcalink.com] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 2:41 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - ESP Well, there is a theory that ESP and psychic ability is actually the next stage of human evolution. In which case the biomod would, more than the others, represent an attempt by the human race to evolve on its own terms instead of natural means, effectively issuing a challenge to natural selection (ok, so that's a little more philosophical than necessary). But philosophy aside, I don't see a problem with it; it's basically a specialized form of accelerated neurons, affecting the synapses instead, allowing someone to observe and process environmental data faster than would ordinarily be possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - ESP > > In a message dated 10/11/00 4:17:29 PM, hanrahag@iol.ie writes: > > >To yank the choke-chain of this thread and get it back to BP - what do > >people think of the ESP stuff? (Don't have my player's guide handy, so I can > >recall the exact name...) I thought it was a bit jarring - the rest of the > >setting is all hard-sci-fi, and then suddenly a hint of fuzzy telepathy is > >added... > > I don't know what was done with ESP in the 2nd edition, but I thought the > Extra Sensory Perception Enhancement bio-mod in the 1st edition was rather > discordant. It showed us the world of ESP in Blue Planet through a key hole. > I think that if psychic ability is going to exist in the game world it will > have a > greater effect than a mere bio-mod and therefore deserves more coverage. > > Do orcas and dolphins have psychic ability? Do the aborigines? Does Long > John enhance psychic ability or have no effect? > *************************************************************************** > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com > with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.