From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 8:15 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - NuInklish is Confusing Kai Poh Kai Poh la wrote: "I'm getting a little confused (and busy at work), so I'm probably only going to read this thread irregularly. Whatever you come up with for NuInklish, could you remember to write it up on a website somewhere (Biohazard's is good, and Dave Klegman would also probably be glad for submissions to his Professional Casualties site) so I can read the final version? :)" 'solutely! C U there. - Monkeygod (8-0) Until we start to make a move to make a few things right you'll never see me wear a suit of white oh i'd love to wear a rainbow every day and tell the world that everything's okay but i'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back 'till things are brighter, i'm the man in black. -Johnny Cash, 1956 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Tun Kai Poh [t_poh@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:54 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift Christopher said: >Aaiiee! Far too many people who can actually speak lots of languages! I'm >going to curl up >in a ball somewhere 'cos I can't! >I'm a failure! There's a saying we have in Malaysia: A person who speaks 3 languages is 'trilingual'. A person who speaks 2 languages is 'bilingual'. A person who only speaks 1 language is 'American'. ;) Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 8:23 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Whiskey. Well, I've gone and found a site on Gaelic to answer our whiskey conundrum. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/irish/languagewords.html The IrG form is clearly "uisce beata." I suspect it (as oft happens) is missing the lenitions, and hence should properly be "uisce bheatha." Whiskey comes from the "uisce" part. As for ScG, I dunno. Mh and Bh usually sound the same in modern dialects of Gaelic, so I suppose it could be a misspelling. Good luck! - Monkeygod (8-0) Until we start to make a move to make a few things right you'll never see me wear a suit of white oh i'd love to wear a rainbow every day and tell the world that everything's okay but i'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back 'till things are brighter, i'm the man in black. -Johnny Cash, 1956 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jason Hockley [jh39@ukc.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:35 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Totally off Topic - Jackie Chan On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:09:29 EST BIOHZD@aol.com wrote: > Hey All, > > I really do not *want* to drift so far off the BP topics, but... > > Jason, you write: > The second is more of an amusing triviality. > Apparently when Jackie Chan was born his parents were very > poor and tried to sell him to a doctor for 300 dollars. > He's worth a little more than that now so I assume they > don't regret not managing it. :) > > >>>>This is sort of a reversal of the facts. Jackie was almost a month > overdue at birth, and a huge baby. In fact he was a rather fat kid until he > began opera training. He was delivered by C-section, and the bill was $300. > The doctor, childless herself, offer to adopt him in exchange for the fee. > Jackie's father's friends took up a collection though, allowing Jackie's > parents to keep him. > I got most of this from Jackie's entertaining, revealing and suprisingly > humorous autobiography "I am Jackie Chan" - a fun read. Hrm. That's odd. I got the above information from watching an interview with him on television. It was the man himself that said all that. Strange. Maybe he just misunderstood what was being asked? You'd recommend the autobiography though? I was considering buying it. Jason "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert A. Heinlein *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:57 AM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift >There's a saying we have in Malaysia: >A person who speaks 3 languages is 'trilingual'. >A person who speaks 2 languages is 'bilingual'. >A person who only speaks 1 language is 'American'. Or in my case, "Scottish". *sigh* Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jason Hockley [jh39@ukc.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:08 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:57:15 +0000 Christopher Gribbon wrote: > >There's a saying we have in Malaysia: > >A person who speaks 3 languages is 'trilingual'. > >A person who speaks 2 languages is 'bilingual'. > >A person who only speaks 1 language is 'American'. > > Or in my case, "Scottish". > *sigh* Actually in my experience "British" would apply pretty well too. Maybe it's the island mentality? It's also amusing to note that as hard as they try to ignore stereotypes, the English speakers were almost always bottom of all the language classes at my school (out of 9 different language sections). JAson "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert A. Heinlein *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:13 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - The Archaeology/Paleontology Adventure Seed >Hey Malcolm... >Wasn't Hamilton's series split into several smaller volumes over in the US? >I seem to recall seeing a "Reality Disfunction pt. 1" and "pt. 2" being >sold >separately in paperback...haven't read it though. Of that, I cannot be sure. I do know that TRD forms the first part of a trilogy. I think the other volumes are called The Neutronium Alchemist and Some Title I Really Can't Remember at the Moment (sorry). >Sounds great. My games tend to be set in the Zion Islands but Westcape also >has a lot of potential and I may send my PCs there someday. > >Eva Piltch (are you still there Eva?) once wrote a fanfic set around >Westcape, starring Bernardo Oliveira...don't think it ever made it to the >list. Good! I should be able to post some stuff, mainly a lot of NPC's I've done in and around the Perdition area. Getting it in to a conherent format is the difficult part. I've also done a map of Perdition. The problem with this is that it is very detailed and written on an A4 sheet in pencil. Hmmm.. Not the best for scanning. Must work on that one. I've also got a couple of adventures that I'm too scared to post on the list. They worked with my players but they may actually turn out to be a steaming pile of horseshit. Who knows? One is called Dead Monkey Walking and concerns a dead mercenary, aborigines, the native resistance, terrified natives and sunburst poachers. Comedy capers or what? The other one that is fully written is based around a freaked out religious group who have some very dubious tenets of belief. Suffice to say, things go a little wrong... Anyway, I will post stuff ASAP. Oh, by the way Kai: I just got round to fully reading all your stuff on the Zion Music Festival. Nice! I've taken quite a number of your ideas and woven them in to my own campaign. I owe you a sincere debt of gratitude. Cheers. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Brian Betty [bbetty@glad.org] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:39 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift Why don't we just say, "If he speaks one language, he's a native English speaker." It don't have the ring, do it? - Monkeygod (8-0) Until we start to make a move to make a few things right you'll never see me wear a suit of white oh i'd love to wear a rainbow every day and tell the world that everything's okay but i'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back 'till things are brighter, i'm the man in black. -Johnny Cash, 1956 *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:08 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift >> >There's a saying we have in Malaysia: > >A person who speaks 3 languages is 'trilingual'. > >A person who speaks 2 languages is 'bilingual'. > >A person who only speaks 1 language is 'American'. > >Or in my case, "Scottish". >*sigh* > >Christopher Gribbon I must add myself to the expanding list entitled 'Embarrassed Scotsmen Who Have Only the Smallest Grasp of Other Languages'. The odd thing is, I do have a genuine interest in language, although mainly the English language. This perhaps stems from my background in the social sciences (for our US friends, thats Liberal Arts). The problem seems, in Britain at any rate, to be the way that foreign languages are taught. They are seen as something of a chore, rather than a subject which can broaden your outlook and provide genuine enjoyment. Well, that was my experience with German anyway. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Auberon [jskln1@uas.alaska.edu] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:20 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift Tun Kai Poh wrote: > > There's a saying we have in Malaysia: > A person who speaks 3 languages is 'trilingual'. > A person who speaks 2 languages is 'bilingual'. > A person who only speaks 1 language is 'American'. I've heard that saying from a Russian, a German, and a Bavarian (VERY different from Germans, if you ask them...) and had it attributed second hand to the French, Vietnamize, and at least one country from the Middle East (don't remember which). Seems a pretty universal stereotype. Sadly, it's also broadly true; I've even had one of my own friends (who are fairly broadly skilled folks) say "Why bother? They speak English everywhere worth travelling to." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Andy Wills [andywills@home.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 4:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - The Archaeology/Paleontology Adventure Seed Malcolm Craig wrote: > Westcape seems to be popular choice for a campaign setting. My campaign is > currently located in Perdition and, if all goes to plan (which it never > does), the players will finally get to meet Bernardo Olivera after four > months of campaigning. This gives me a thought. Would anyone like to > exchange ideas/PCs/adventures etc for the Westcape setting. I know I would > especially like some fresh input and I'm reasonably confident that at least > some of my stuff may be of interest to others. I look forward to future > postings. I'd like to see your stuff. I have very little written, currently. The PCs in my campaign arrived on Westcape a little over 10 minutes ago. All I have now is a slightly crazed old bounty-hunter type guy, who the PCs are hiding from while they decide whether he's one of the people pursuing them for escaping Bose Strand, and the adventure we've been working on. Still, I'll get stuff together, and Access Denied should be an inspiration when it arrives. Later, -Andy *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Christopher Gribbon [c.gribbon@dundee.ac.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:46 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift >I must add myself to the expanding list entitled 'Embarrassed Scotsmen Who >Have Only the Smallest Grasp of Other Languages'. Sadly, a large percentage of the population. >The odd thing is, I do >have a genuine interest in language, Yes - me too (though my understanding of the ... stuff .. that's been bandied about in the mailing list recently is a trifle lacking)! >This perhaps stems from my background in the social sciences (for our US >friends, thats Liberal Arts). The problem seems, in Britain at any rate, to >be the way that foreign languages are taught. They are seen as something of >a chore, rather than a subject which can broaden your outlook and provide >genuine enjoyment. Well, that was my experience with German anyway. Mmm. I did French, and I *hated* it! Until later, when I learned some in order to go on holiday in France. My grasp of the lingo is still megre-to-none, but I certainly *enjoyed* learning it that time. Christopher Gribbon Vision Research Laboratories Medical Sciences Institute University of Dundee Dundee DD1 5EH UK (01382) 344 229 ____________________________________________________________________ "A scientist is meant to be disinterested, pure; his ambition merely to descry the cement of the universe. He isn't meant to use it to start laying his own patio!" - WILL SELF, The Quantity Theory of Insanity *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Tun Kai Poh [t_poh@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 7:37 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - The Archaeology/Paleontology Adventure Seed Malcolm wrote: >Good! I should be able to post some stuff, mainly a lot of NPC's I've done >in and around the Perdition area. Getting it in to a conherent format is >the >difficult part. I've also done a map of Perdition. The problem with this is >that it is very detailed and written on an A4 sheet in pencil. Yeah, maps are the hardest to put up online. There are a few scenarios that I'd love to put up on this list if not for the fact that they are map-reliant... >Anyway, I will post stuff ASAP. > >Oh, by the way Kai: I just got round to fully reading all your stuff on the >Zion Music Festival. Nice! I've taken quite a number of your ideas and >woven >them in to my own campaign. I owe you a sincere debt of gratitude. Darn, Malcolm's caught up! Now I REALLY have to start writing again just to keep him out-of-date! Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Ankfix@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 8:05 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Chat In a message dated 11/18/99 12:04:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, BIOHZD@aol.com writes: > I do not really have a topic or > agenda in mind, but an open Q&A session might be a fun. I was thinking maybe > > this Sunday, 11/21, 6-8pm central time. > > What do you think? Works for me. :-) - Fixer *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: EndersWAR1@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 9:45 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Chat Sounds groovy "Come on, Ceasar, if your going to be stupid, don't be half-assed stupid...Be stupid all the way!"-187 x) <---Dead Cyclops Enterprises "In the land of the two-eyed blind, the Dead Cyclops is king." EndersWAR1@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Tun Kai Poh [t_poh@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:42 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Chat I can't make the chat, not surprisingly. 6-8pm Sunday Central Time is, like, Monday morning over here... On the bright side, due to the time difference, we get the new James Bond movie before the Americans do. :) Kai Poh Malaysian Lagomorph ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Rachel Kronick [rachelkr@ms35.hinet.net] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:32 PM To: blue_planet@lists.imagiconline.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Native Language Drift Hi again! Sorry for the delay... Brian Betty wrote: > > > > No prob-lah. After all, you'll note I made errata myself! Par example, it's > TONT not DONT, TITEN not DIDEN, etc. Oh well. > Surely we're only at the kindergarten level of writing in NuInklish...? > Reicel then said, "However, I do kind of disagree about some of those > things. I say more below..." > "Sorry, I don't mean to sound pompous. I hate it when I sound like this, > but I guess youshihou jiushi meibanfa." > > Of course. I never write in Pinyin anyway, but I hate making long, long, > long chains of syllables a la Altaic languages (a la peanut butter > sandwiches?) > I've never been very sure how to break up 'words' in Mandarin, to be honest. (Oh, and for anyone who doesn't know Mandarin Chinese, what I had corrected Brian on was: "I might want to talk [about Chinese stuff]. I studied for a semester at Beijing University three years ago." And a side note here: I misspelled my Pinyin. It should've been "wo keneng haiyao tanyitan," not "tantitan." The phrase I later used was "...but I guess sometimes there's nothing to be done.") > Hmm. But ALL languages have tenses, although not in the strict sense of > "time tenses." Completion tenses are characteristic of Chinese languages > and some creoles. English has a tense and a partial completion tense (I was > going v. I went) and the collapsing tense system of NuInklish could end up > with either form. If BP settlers are heavily Chinese, maybe they'd end up > with completion tenses, for example. English as spoken by various > African-American communities has a completion tense in the present tense, > as well: "I be goin'." Regrettably, I'm not sure I understand the > subtleties of the use of "be." As many BPers aren't Americans, I'd like to > mention that this issue is quite contentious, since most Americans > understand squat about linguistics and simply think "those black people > speak badly" when in fact the grammatical rules speakers of this dialect > use are solid and well-understood by their users. > I agree about tenses. I suppose I just go a little overboard about tenses due to my own predilections about English, especially related to teaching. (It's very interesting seeing how my students come to understand the differences between tenses in English. They usually get a fairly good understanding with time, but I occasionally have to dissuade them from viewing past tense in English as equivalent to the -le completion marker in Mandarin. And with lots of other things. "Have" and "there is" in English totally throw them for a loop. This is one of the rare times that I use Chinese in class: I tell them "Have is NOT /you/," and they usually get it pretty quickly.) I guess what I see happening with verb tenses is that English (NuInklish) might lose specific conjugation (go, went, gone) for time. As you earlier noted about Hawai'ian Creole, it might just become a standard tag for each verb that depends on the time phrase. About African-American English: It's so hard to explain what's going on to my students when they can't understand, for example, stereotypical gang members' speech in an American movie. I have neither the understanding nor the time to teach them Ebonics, and I also can't spend a lot of time explaining to them that it's not wrong, it's just different. So unfortunately I usually just have to let it go with telling them "There's a popular way, and a way that is formally considered 'correct'." And I often let my thoughts about the future into it, too: I sometimes tell them when I think something might die out within 100 years or whatever, but of course that they still have to learn it now. Probably just a waste of their time, but it does make it more interesting sometimes. I think, partially because they speak a language which can still easily be used to read texts 3000 years old, they have less sense of linguistic evolution. They have much more of a sense of Chinese (and therefore other languages, too) as some sort of monolith. It's wrong, of course, but it's hard to dislodge. > > Well, things can move pretty fast in communities separated so drastically > from each other. I would say there are real limits, but I expect regional > accents and vocabulary shifts can happen quickly. There are good precedents > for this - the early Germanic dialects under the Frankish empire of Peppin, > Mayor of Australasia moved very quickly apart because of the "High German > Sound Shift", and this was within the confines of a single empire in a > short period of time. The shift is still moving outwards over German > communities, but the initial change was quite sudden. Tiny, isolated groups > can evolve faster linguistically than larger speech communities, and > certainly there is quite a lot of isolation on BP. > This leads me to another question: does language drift depend more on the original constitution of the group of speakers, or on how far they are from others? And a more BP-related question: does anyone have statistics for how many people speaking which languages emigrated to Poseidon? And then where they tended to settle? We could possibly get a map of linguistic variances going if we could find this information. A nifty thing to include on a web page or in a BP supplement... > Yeah, maybe. But I have a hard time on this - they've stuck around a long > time seemingly without reason to ... Very true -- they do have strong staying power. However, I think English's status as The International Language may cause this to break down. Has English ever had such a rapid increase in the number of people speaking it as in the past, say, 50 years? More importantly, has the balance between natives and non-native speakers using it ever shifted so rapidly before? Maybe it has, I don't know. But I could see a sea change (whatever that means -- hmm, possible title for a major metaplot BP supplement?) within the next 50 years coming from this. > > "Actually, I could see scholarly English becoming the new Latin -- the > bastion of the upper-classes, a way to talk about the proles without > resorting to the vulgate. Even more than it is now. Maybe." > > More like the vocab used by the Natives will be significantly skewed in the > eyes of the new fish on the block; I'm thinking mostly about Native speech > when I'm talking here because I can't visualise an educated Earth changing > as rapidly as isolated, insular pockets of Native groups on an alien > planet. They won't have tv or commsys to equalise accents while they are > cut off from Sol System, so that'll be a great opportunity to localise. > This leads into the question of whether modern telecommunications are truly integrating or whether they tend to drive people into smaller groups (based on interests or professional spheres, perhaps). How many people are there, like us, who have specialized vocabularies and maybe even grammars based around their pursuits? I just think the Internet is causing linguistic evolution at a much more rapid pace, like introducing radiation into the gene pool. I don't know what direction that change is going in -- probably all at once. I do agree that NuInklish on Earth is likely to be vastly more integrated that on Poseidon, though. > I have the same view, but have concluded it is my Chinese bias, so perhaps > we can get a third opinion on the subject? Or maybe BP is settled all by > Singaporeans: "My brother-la eat some 'fun'.' (The last word being Southern > Mandarin for 'noodles,' of course.) > Yes, we need more input here.... Oh, and Auberon noted in another message the frequent clipping or wholesale deletion of subjects in English. I think this is becoming huge. Subjects are really only needed in written English now, and then only in formal writing, in my view. Does anyone else see this happening? (This also contributes to the shift towards topic-based grammar that I see happening, but of course I'm just defending my own ideas here.) > > Mandarin T v. D versus Spanish T v. D. There is no expressed air in Spanish > T UNLIKE in English - hence my point about the (un)importance of voice in > modern English. I think I understand... > > "Brian: Perhaps we can eventually compose some NuInklish sea chanteys or > pop songs to give this a bit more BP relevance." > > Arrrrh. I'm a pirate now. > I'm not sure if that was a pirate "Arrrrh." ("Arr, me mateys, avast ye scalawags, and other stereotypical pirate things ta say!") or an "arrrg." Hmm, more linguistic innovation? Oh, and another thing: I see a lot happening with English written punctuation. The difference between a semicolon, comma and dash may get straightened out. And emoticons may become formalized, as ways to express intonation in written English. (They serve basically the same purpose as periods, question marks, etc., I think, save that they say the exact emotion to be used when reading.) Just more speculation. Has anyone seen formal papers using emoticons? > - Monkeygod (8-0) > > Until we start to make a move to make a few things right > you'll never see me wear a suit of white > oh i'd love to wear a rainbow every day > and tell the world that everything's okay > but i'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back > 'till things are brighter, i'm the man in black. > -Johnny Cash, 1956 > -- Rachel Kronick *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.