From: Auberon [fskln1@uaf.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 8:16 PM To: blue_planet@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP Chris Sakal wrote: > > >The other trick would be doing this without scrambling the passengers > >and crew; our brains are bioelectric. The presence of strong EM fields > >can scramble people. > Not really. True, the brain does use electricity to transmit messages > (as well as chemical signals) but it would take a VERY strong EM field to > "scramble" (whatever that means) a person and what it would do is pretty > much kill them outright. If you get just the right power, you can merely prevent coherent thought and cause cardiac arrhythmia. But we're talking about a magnetic field that modern superconducting magnets can barely produce. The original poster (who may have been you, for all I remember) talked about the effect being barely detectable. Now think of the field strength if it's not only going to be detectable, but move a 10,000+ ton spacecraft at reasonable accelerations. Since light sockets can produce field that have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. > There is some evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields over long > periods of time may be harmful, but it's far from conclusive. > > Chris Sakal > csakal@erols.com > -- Disclaimer: It was another country, and besides, the wench is dead. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Sakal [csakal@erols.com] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 7:29 PM To: blue_planet@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP >The other trick would be doing this without scrambling the passengers >and crew; our brains are bioelectric. The presence of strong EM fields >can scramble people. Not really. True, the brain does use electricity to transmit messages (as well as chemical signals) but it would take a VERY strong EM field to "scramble" (whatever that means) a person and what it would do is pretty much kill them outright. There is some evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields over long periods of time may be harmful, but it's far from conclusive. Chris Sakal csakal@erols.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Chris Sakal [csakal@erols.com] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 8:43 PM To: blue_planet@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP > Since light sockets can produce field that >have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity >producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. Eh? This I haven't heard of. Where did you get this information from? Chris Sakal csakal@erols.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Auberon [fskln1@uaf.edu] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 9:13 PM To: blue_planet@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP Chris Sakal wrote: > > > Since light sockets can produce field that > >have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity > >producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. > Eh? This I haven't heard of. Where did you get this information from? Which? The light socket info comes from hippies and medical articles dumbed down to an article that was clipped from the Atlantic Monthly or Utne Reader and given to me by a hippie friend. The other bit is just supposition. Note: the effects aren't verifiably harmful in any way -- just detectable. Affects the amount of time you spend in REM vs Delta sleep, or something like that. I lost the article. -- Disclaimer: It was another country, and besides, the wench is dead. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Sean Goodroad [slugman@itis.com] Sent: Saturday, November 28, 1998 9:16 PM To: blue_planet@MPGN.COM Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP > There is some evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields over long >periods of time may be harmful, but it's far from conclusive. Hey! some of us grew up under power lines ya know! :) Sean slugman@itis.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:16:05 -0900 From: Auberon Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP Chris Sakal wrote: > > >The other trick would be doing this without scrambling the passengers > >and crew; our brains are bioelectric. The presence of strong EM fields > >can scramble people. > Not really. True, the brain does use electricity to transmit messages > (as well as chemical signals) but it would take a VERY strong EM field to > "scramble" (whatever that means) a person and what it would do is pretty > much kill them outright. If you get just the right power, you can merely prevent coherent thought and cause cardiac arrhythmia. But we're talking about a magnetic field that modern superconducting magnets can barely produce. The original poster (who may have been you, for all I remember) talked about the effect being barely detectable. Now think of the field strength if it's not only going to be detectable, but move a 10,000+ ton spacecraft at reasonable accelerations. Since light sockets can produce field that have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. > There is some evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields over long > periods of time may be harmful, but it's far from conclusive. > > Chris Sakal > csakal@erols.com > - -- Disclaimer: It was another country, and besides, the wench is dead. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:43:04 -0500 From: Chris Sakal Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP > Since light sockets can produce field that >have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity >producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. Eh? This I haven't heard of. Where did you get this information from? Chris Sakal csakal@erols.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:13:27 -0900 From: Auberon Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP Chris Sakal wrote: > > > Since light sockets can produce field that > >have measurable effects on human brain function, I'm assuming a gravity > >producing, space freighter moving field would be far beyond lethal. > Eh? This I haven't heard of. Where did you get this information from? Which? The light socket info comes from hippies and medical articles dumbed down to an article that was clipped from the Atlantic Monthly or Utne Reader and given to me by a hippie friend. The other bit is just supposition. Note: the effects aren't verifiably harmful in any way -- just detectable. Affects the amount of time you spend in REM vs Delta sleep, or something like that. I lost the article. - -- Disclaimer: It was another country, and besides, the wench is dead. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:15:30 -0600 From: "Sean Goodroad" Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Spacecraft Propulsion in BP > There is some evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields over long >periods of time may be harmful, but it's far from conclusive. Hey! some of us grew up under power lines ya know! :) Sean slugman@itis.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:38:30 -0700 From: Steven Sweeney Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Fanfic Ver. 2.0 (Gratuitous WTG post) Tun Kai Poh wrote: > Here it is again, with a few minor changes that you wouldn't be able > to > notice unless you were really keen-eyed. But anyway. > > Comments are welcome. > > Kai Poh > > * * * > > The Tale of the Storm Widow > > 1 > > Once upon a time, when humans were new to this world, Maya Mahsuri > came > with her husband and children to a small island far from other > settlers. > Life was not easy back then. The couple worked long and hard, braving > the fierce wilderness to build a place for their small children. *snip* > "Poseidon cannot stop us," said the grey man. "All the world cannot > stop > Progress." > > "All the world will fight you," said the widow of the storm. "I and my > > children will fight you." > > And so our war began. This, I like! Steve S. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:31:00 EST From: BIOHZD@aol.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - GM screen Hey Adam, The final production push on Access Denied starts this week, and the project will likely go to press by the end of the month. The art for the front of the screen has taken the most time, but I think y'all will be most pleased. The six regional maps from Archiplago are being rendered as full color aerial photos and will be a great looking and uniquely useful part of the product. The final layout for the back of the screen is still in progress, and so the content there is not finalized. We are trying to include as much as possible without making the thing so cramped and small as to be hard to use. The booklet will be full of Access Denieds, but it will also contain several other goodies - a milage (kilometers actually) chart for the major settlements, an expanded index to the main BP book, easy access damage tables, and a few other useful surprises. Be patient all, Access Denied is coming! Jeff Barber Biohazard Games *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:31:05 EST From: BIOHZD@aol.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Fanfic Hey Kai, As usual - impressive work. I like the idea of a group named "Children of the Widow". In a related vein, I wrote a long "native oral history" back in the early days of BP, but we decided it was too primative to fit the actual educated heritage of the natives. If I can dig it up, maybe I will post it just for fun. Jeff Barber Biohazard Games *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:46:25 -0600 From: fleschneab13@uwwvax.uww.edu Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Blue Planet Women I'm not so ceratin about the gender bias, but then again, I consider myself somewhat of an enlightened individual. My Planescape game has three ladies in it, and they're better than the guys most of the time. Maybe it's just me. Planewalker *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 03:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Guilherme A Oliveira Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Women gamers Hey everybody, Interesting questions! Of the six regular members, two are male! Of the four females, two have male PC's. It is alittle challenging to look at a woman and have to imagine them as a male scientist on the verge of discovering a new disease! Everybody loves the setting which BP offers. My sentiments mirror those which have been posted. A brief discussion with some of those female gamers I mentioned have the same opinions as well. One of them said Blue Planet is "a beautiful game" in its design and layout. I think she hit the nail on the head with that comment. I wish I could recreate verbatim what was said, but essentially the mental concept of the BP universe was attractive. Oh, heck it's late here and I'm forgeting what was said to make any sense of it to the list readers. Trust me on this one. What she said was insightful. Sorry to waste time. Kelli: Excellent idea! Kai: Wow! That is awesome work! Jus' babblin' JIM *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@mpgn.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message.