From: kabael@softhome.net Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:30 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! > Please reference the movie 'Event Horizon' for the best on-screen depiction of > vacuum exposure in a modern film. not to mention being an all-around enjoyable film as well. Derek Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 Opinionated reviewer extraordinaire *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: kabael@softhome.net Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:23 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! >You won't even see the weird "bulging > eyes" effect that you saw in TOTAL RECALL. oh my GOD does that movie piss me off. Starts off okay, and then the bizarre mutants show up, and then the insta-terraforming or Mars. now the pain returns! yeargh! today is just not my day with movies. Derek Guder - kabael@softhome.net - ICQ# 24193592 Opinionated reviewer extraordinaire *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Dracondis [Dracondis@email.msn.com] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 11:30 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! From: Justin Bacon > Yes. As you note, the rapid evaporation of bodily fluids will cause all > sorts of problems for the person in question. If you reread those > passages, though, I think you'll note that the intention being > communicated is not "being in a vacuum is just like having the bends", > its that you won't experience the type of explosive decompression you > see in some poorly researched SF flicks (where a person will literally > explode oncreen or somesuch). You won't even see the weird "bulging > eyes" effect that you saw in TOTAL RECALL. Please reference the movie 'Event Horizon' for the best on-screen depiction of vacuum exposure in a modern film. - Drakkon - *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Justin Bacon [triad@prairie.lakes.com] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:36 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! >When I read the Moderatorīs guide I saw this picture on page16, with the native school in the foreground.... >isn`t there something wrong? Maybe some sort of artistic expression. :) What are you referring to here? The gills? >I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than the bends. Yes. As you note, the rapid evaporation of bodily fluids will cause all sorts of problems for the person in question. If you reread those passages, though, I think you'll note that the intention being communicated is not "being in a vacuum is just like having the bends", its that you won't experience the type of explosive decompression you see in some poorly researched SF flicks (where a person will literally explode oncreen or somesuch). You won't even see the weird "bulging eyes" effect that you saw in TOTAL RECALL. Justin Bacon triad3204@aol.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jason Werner [wernerj@swbell.net] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:01 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! > Your are right about the vacuum being more than just bends. At low > pressures all liquids boil no matter what the temperature is. This means > that your bodily fluids would begin to evaporate. It would be a matter of > seconds to half a minute before all that is left is a shrivelled > corpse. I don't disagree with the first two sentences. As the vapor pressure above a liquid drops to zero, the dynamic equilibrium between condensation and evaporation goes all the way towards evaporation. So, yes, an open liquid will evaporate pretty rapidly in space. Unless.... + It freezes over first. A crust of solid ice over a liquid core would tend to keep the water all together, rather than letting it go to the vapor phase. Example - water ice comet. Water has been detected in the spectra of comet tails, suggesting that a significant proportion of the head is water ice. I can't see a situation where all that water would exist as purely water vapor - no gas. + There's something other than ice covering over the liquid. The skin itself is - unless you're a premature infant - a pretty good envelope for keeping water on the inside, where it's supposed to be. Even exposed to the substantial gradient of water on the inside - space on the outside, I'd expect an intact skin to keep the forty-some liters of water in the average 70-kg person where it's supposed to be for longer than "seconds to half a minute." I'd think that, yeah, a person exposed to vacuum has bigger problems than the bends, but those problems have more to do with the 4 minutes of anoxia before neurons start giving up the ghost, rather than drying out real fast. Thanks, -Jason Werner > Jacob > > On > Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Jochen Heggen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am new to this list and after reading the mails for some time now I have some thoughts I have to share with other Blue Panet enthusiasts. > > > > [ Excuse my English... i am used to read not to write in this language] > > > > When I read the Moderatorīs guide I saw this picture on page16, with the native school in the foreground....isn`t there something wrong? > > Maybe some sort of artistic expression. :) > > > > But when I read on and found the chapter about Oceanography I found the statement about the bends in space and i remembered an incident where i (as the moderator) killed a character, because of exposure to vacuum (15 Seconds). > > This is a time he could live without air...and back into pressure he may live through the bends... but I thought of the vapor point of water in a near vacuum. > > I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than the bends. > > What is your opinion... or can someone test this? > > > > Oh...Blue Planet is with V2 (in the moment) my favourite RPG. In the moment means that Ars Magica will take over the lead when I play it again. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: wlfrun [wlfrun@yesconnect.net] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:48 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! Welcome to the list I always used the information in CP2020's Near Orbit or Deep Space Sourcebook. It gives a pretty layout of a progression for the effects. Mostly it goes through impairment to loss of consciousness, to death with the boiling effect, etc. Until we get the Spacer supplement for BP, these are good supplement that you can probably use for guidelines. > >> But when I read on and found the chapter about Oceanography I found the statement about the bends in space and i remembered an incident where i (as the moderator) killed a character, because of exposure to vacuum (15 Seconds). >> This is a time he could live without air...and back into pressure he may live through the bends... but I thought of the vapor point of water in a near vacuum. >> I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than the bends. >> What is your opinion... or can someone test this? >> >> Oh...Blue Planet is with V2 (in the moment) my favourite RPG. In the moment means that Ars Magica will take over the lead when I play it again. >> >> > >-- >"Operationally, God is beginning to resemble not a ruler, but the last >fading smile of a cosmic Cheshire cat." -- Sir James Huxley > *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jacob Peterson [jacob@stpl.cress.yorku.ca] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:50 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! Hi, Your are right about the vacuum being more than just bends. At low pressures all liquids boil no matter what the temperature is. This means that your bodily fluids would begin to evaporate. It would be a matter of seconds to half a minute before all that is left is a shrivelled corpse. Jacob On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Jochen Heggen wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I am new to this list and after reading the mails for some time now I h= ave some thoughts I have to share with other Blue Panet enthusiasts. >=20 > [ Excuse my English... i am used to read not to write in this language] >=20 > When I read the Moderator=B4s guide I saw this picture on page16, with = the native school in the foreground....isn`t there something wrong? > Maybe some sort of artistic expression. :) >=20 > But when I read on and found the chapter about Oceanography I found the= statement about the bends in space and i remembered an incident where i = (as the moderator) killed a character, because of exposure to vacuum (15 = Seconds). > This is a time he could live without air...and back into pressure he ma= y live through the bends... but I thought of the vapor point of water in = a near vacuum. > I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than t= he bends. > What is your opinion... or can someone test this? >=20 > Oh...Blue Planet is with V2 (in the moment) my favourite RPG. In the mo= ment means that Ars Magica will take over the lead when I play it again. >=20 >=20 --=20 "Operationally, God is beginning to resemble not a ruler, but the last fading smile of a cosmic Cheshire cat." -- Sir James Huxley *************************************************************************= ** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Malcolm Craig [malcolmcraig@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:55 PM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: Re: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! Welcome to the list! No problems withyour english, perfectly readable! I'll leave your questions on the bends to someone more competent to answer. Cheers Malcolm >From: "Jochen Heggen" >Reply-To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com >To: >Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! >Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 11:31:58 +0100 > >Hi, > >I am new to this list and after reading the mails for some time now I have >some thoughts I have to share with other Blue Panet enthusiasts. > >[ Excuse my English... i am used to read not to write in this language] > >When I read the Moderatorīs guide I saw this picture on page16, with the >native school in the foreground....isn`t there something wrong? >Maybe some sort of artistic expression. :) > >But when I read on and found the chapter about Oceanography I found the >statement about the bends in space and i remembered an incident where i (as >the moderator) killed a character, because of exposure to vacuum (15 >Seconds). >This is a time he could live without air...and back into pressure he may >live through the bends... but I thought of the vapor point of water in a >near vacuum. >I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than the >bends. >What is your opinion... or can someone test this? > >Oh...Blue Planet is with V2 (in the moment) my favourite RPG. In the moment >means that Ars Magica will take over the lead when I play it again. > _______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe blue_planet' as the body of the message. From: Jochen Heggen [jochen.heggen@netsurf.de] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:32 AM To: blue_planet@lists.ient.com Subject: [BLUE PLANET] - Some remarks! Hi, I am new to this list and after reading the mails for some time now I have some thoughts I have to share with other Blue Panet enthusiasts. [ Excuse my English... i am used to read not to write in this language] When I read the Moderatorīs guide I saw this picture on page16, with the native school in the foreground....isn`t there something wrong? Maybe some sort of artistic expression. :) But when I read on and found the chapter about Oceanography I found the statement about the bends in space and i remembered an incident where i (as the moderator) killed a character, because of exposure to vacuum (15 Seconds). This is a time he could live without air...and back into pressure he may live through the bends... but I thought of the vapor point of water in a near vacuum. I think a person in a vacuum will have much more severe problems than the bends. What is your opinion... or can someone test this? Oh...Blue Planet is with V2 (in the moment) my favourite RPG. In the moment means that Ars Magica will take over the lead when I play it again.